linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 07/32] cpuset: Set up interface for nohz flag

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Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:53:03 +0200
From:	Mike Galbraith <efault@....de>
To:	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
Cc:	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linaro-sched-sig@...ts.linaro.org,
	Alessio Igor Bogani <abogani@...nel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@...hat.com>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...era.com>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@...aro.org>,
	Geoff Levand <geoff@...radead.org>,
	Gilad Ben Yossef <gilad@...yossef.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Max Krasnyansky <maxk@...lcomm.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <thebigcorporation@...il.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Zen Lin <zen@...nhuawei.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/32] cpuset: Set up interface for nohz flag

On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 13:22 +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote: 
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 05:03:53AM +0100, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 09:50 -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote: 
> > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Prepare the interface to implement the nohz cpuset flag.
> > > > This flag, once set, will tell the system to try to
> > > > shutdown the periodic timer tick when possible.
> > > >
> > > > We use here a per cpu refcounter. As long as a CPU
> > > > is contained into at least one cpuset that has the
> > > > nohz flag set, it is part of the set of CPUs that
> > > > run into adaptive nohz mode.
> > > 
> > > What are the drawbacks for nohz?
> > 
> > For nohz in general, latency.  To make it at all usable for rt loads, I
> > had to make isolated cores immune from playing load balancer.  Even so,
> > to achieve target latency, I had to hack up cpusets to let the user
> > dynamically switch nohz off for specified sets (and the tick has to be
> > skewed in both cases or you can just forget it).  With nohz, I can't
> > quite achieve 30us jitter target, turn it off, I get single digit.  Out
> > of the current box, triple digit for simple synchronized frame timers +
> > compute worker-bees load on 64 cores.  Patch 4 probably helps that, but
> > don't _think_ it'll fix it.  If you (currently) ever become balancer,
> > you're latency target is smoking wreckage.
> 
> But this is because of waking up from CPU low power mode, right? If so
> then busy tickless shouldn't be concerned. We can certainly have
> configurations where the tick is not stopped in idle but can be elsewhere.

Boxen are restricted to C1 (even at that Q6600 _sucks rocks_, but more
modern CPUs don't).  ATM, ticked is cheaper, I can't get there from here
with nohz.

-Mike 

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