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Message-ID: <20120410151042.GH21801@redhat.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:10:43 -0400
From:	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com>
To:	Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>
Cc:	linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Moyer Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] block: Change default IO scheduler to deadline
 except SATA

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:21:48AM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 03:56:39PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On 2012-04-10 15:37, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I am wondering if CFQ as default scheduler is still the right choice. CFQ
> > > generally works well on slow rotational media (SATA?). But often
> > > underperforms on faster storage (storage arrays, PCIE SSDs, virtualized
> > > disk in linux guests etc). People often put logic in user space to tune their
> > > systems and change IO scheduler to deadline to get better performance on
> > > faster storage.
> > > 
> > > Though there is not one good answer for all kind of storage and for all
> > > kind of workloads, I am wondering if we can provide a better default and
> > > that is change default IO scheduler to "deadline" except SATA.
> > > 
> > > One can argue that some SAS disks can be slow too and benefit from CFQ. Yes,
> > > but default IO scheduler choice is not perfect anyway. It just tries to
> > > cater to a wide variety of use cases out of the box.
> > > 
> > > So I am throwing this patch out see if it flies. Personally, I think it
> > > might turn out to be a more reasonable default.
> > 
> > I think it'd be a lot more sane to just use CFQ on rotational single
> > devices, and default to deadline on raid or non-rotational devices. This
> > still isn't perfect, since less worthy SSDs still benefit from the
> > read/write separation, and some multi device configs will be faster as
> > well. But it's better.
> 
> Hi Jens,
> 
> Thanks. Taking a decision based on rotational flag makes sense. I am
> not sure that does one get the information that a block device is a single
> device or not. Especially with HBAs, SCSI Luns over Fiber, iSCSI Luns etc.
> I have few Scsi Luns exported to me backed by a storage array. Everything
> runs CFQ by default. And though disks in the array are rotational, they
> are RAIDed and AFAIK, this information is not available to driver.
> 
> I am not sure if there is an easy way to get similar info for dm/md devices.

Thinking more about it, even if we have a way to define a request queue
flag for multi devices (QUEUE_FLAG_MULTI_DEVICE), when can block layer
take a decision to change the IO scheduler. At queue alloc and init time
driver might not have even called add_disk() or set all the
flags/properties of the queue. So doing it at queue alloc/init time might
not be best.

And later we get control only when actual IO happens on the queue and
doing one more check or trying to change elevator in IO path is not a
good idea.

May be when driver tries to set ROTATIONAL or MULTI_DEVICE flag, we can
check and change elevator then.

So we are back to the question of can scsi devices find out if a Lun
is backed by single disk or multiple disks.

Thanks
Vivek
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