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Message-ID: <20120412173518.2ecd8418@xenia.leun.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:35:18 +0200 From: Michael Leun <ml@...ktra.leun.net> To: Felix Fietkau <nbd@...nwrt.org> Cc: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@...il.com>, Michael Leun <lkml20120218@...ton.leun.net>, Mohammed Shafi <shafi.wireless@...il.com>, Ben Greear <greearb@...delatech.com>, casteyde.christian@...e.fr, Kelly Anderson <kelly@...ka.with-linux.com>, "ath9k-devel@...ts.ath9k.org" <ath9k-devel@...ema.h4ckr.net>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, linux-wireless Mailing List <linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org>, Sergio Correia <lists@...e.net> Subject: Re: 3.4-rc ath9k regression (Re: [ath9k-devel] 3.3.1 ath9k regression) On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:58:34 +0300 Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@...il.com> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Felix Fietkau <nbd@...nwrt.org> > wrote: > > On 2012-04-09 5:29 PM, Michael Leun wrote: > >> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:52:45 +0530 > > >> Seems obvious to me, that this line > >> > >> if (sc->ps_idle && (sc->ps_flags & PS_WAIT_FOR_TX_ACK)) > >> > >> makes the real difference. > > Please try this patch with plain 3.3.1 or 3.4-rc2 to see if it fixes > > this issue: > > Nope, not here (3.3.1). Also negative for 3.4-rc2, but that SLEEP<>AWAKE noise at the end stopped. Still need "iwconfig wlan0 essid <myssid>" to make it ping again (that not included in log below). Due to Felipes result and 3.4-rc2 didn't repeat my test with 3.3.1, if you think it would add useful information I could. Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.050654] ath: phy2: UNDEFINED -> AWAKE Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.050718] ath: phy2: serialize_regmode is 0 Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.484482] ath: EEPROM regdomain: 0x37 Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.484487] ath: EEPROM indicates we should expect a direct regpair map Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.484491] ath: Country alpha2 being used: AW Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.484494] ath: Regpair used: 0x37 Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.491420] ieee80211 phy2: Selected rate control algorithm 'ath9k_rate_control' Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.491856] cfg80211: Calling CRDA for country: DE Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.491917] Registered led device: ath9k-phy2 Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.491937] ieee80211 phy2: Atheros AR9280 Rev:2 mem=0xffffc90004140000, irq=19 Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.499003] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.504355] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated: Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.504360] cfg80211: (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.504366] cfg80211: (2402000 KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.504370] cfg80211: (2457000 KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.504375] cfg80211: (2474000 KHz - 2494000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.504380] cfg80211: (5170000 KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.504384] cfg80211: (5735000 KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.505411] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.511576] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated: Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.511582] cfg80211: (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.511587] cfg80211: (2402000 KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.511592] cfg80211: (2457000 KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.511597] cfg80211: (2474000 KHz - 2494000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.511602] cfg80211: (5170000 KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.511606] cfg80211: (5735000 KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.511632] cfg80211: Calling CRDA for country: AW Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.517260] cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: AW Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.517267] cfg80211: (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.517272] cfg80211: (2402000 KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (N/A, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.517277] cfg80211: (5170000 KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (N/A, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.517281] cfg80211: (5250000 KHz - 5330000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (N/A, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.517285] cfg80211: (5490000 KHz - 5710000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (N/A, 2700 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.517312] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.523269] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated: Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.523274] cfg80211: (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.523280] cfg80211: (2402000 KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.523285] cfg80211: (2457000 KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.523289] cfg80211: (2474000 KHz - 2494000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.523294] cfg80211: (5170000 KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.523299] cfg80211: (5735000 KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.523325] cfg80211: Calling CRDA for country: 97 Apr 12 17:14:23 jill ifup[4023]: wlan0 device: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill ifup[4023]: wlan0 is controlled by ifplugd Apr 12 17:14:23 jill ifup[4115]: wlan0 device: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) Apr 12 17:14:23 jill ifup-wireless[4165]: wlan0 starting wpa_supplicant Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.922810] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.925814] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.930646] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.933057] ath: phy2: AWAKE -> FULL-SLEEP Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.933089] ath: phy2: FULL-SLEEP -> AWAKE Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.934926] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.935933] ath: phy2: AWAKE -> FULL-SLEEP Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.935948] ath: phy2: FULL-SLEEP -> AWAKE Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.938772] ath: phy2: AWAKE -> FULL-SLEEP Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.954578] ath: phy2: FULL-SLEEP -> AWAKE Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.958174] ath: phy2: AWAKE -> FULL-SLEEP Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.972352] ath: phy2: FULL-SLEEP -> AWAKE Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 112.975936] ath: phy2: AWAKE -> FULL-SLEEP Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 113.043989] ath: phy2: FULL-SLEEP -> AWAKE Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 113.047551] ath: phy2: AWAKE -> FULL-SLEEP Apr 12 17:14:23 jill kernel: [ 113.047567] ath: phy2: FULL-SLEEP -> AWAKE Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.055181] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.062439] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.129648] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.197652] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.264706] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.331712] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.398657] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.466662] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.533678] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.600689] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.667706] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.735064] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.802684] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.869665] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 113.936704] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:24 jill kernel: [ 114.003657] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:25 jill kernel: [ 114.070700] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:25 jill kernel: [ 114.137680] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:25 jill kernel: [ 114.204599] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:25 jill kernel: [ 114.336653] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:25 jill kernel: [ 114.468656] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:25 jill kernel: [ 114.600668] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:25 jill kernel: [ 114.732617] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:25 jill kernel: [ 114.864643] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:25 jill kernel: [ 114.996648] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.128652] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.260697] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.392609] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.524645] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.656636] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.672835] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.678140] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated: Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.678145] cfg80211: (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.678151] cfg80211: (2402000 KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.678156] cfg80211: (2457000 KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.678161] cfg80211: (2474000 KHz - 2494000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.678166] cfg80211: (5170000 KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.678172] cfg80211: (5735000 KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.788650] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:26 jill kernel: [ 115.921656] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.053669] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.182331] wlan0: authenticate with f4:ec:38:e9:6a:e6 Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.186678] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.193951] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.196330] wlan0: send auth to f4:ec:38:e9:6a:e6 (try 1/3) Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.199787] wlan0: authenticated Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.204686] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.207753] wlan0: associate with f4:ec:38:e9:6a:e6 (try 1/3) Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.211390] wlan0: RX AssocResp from f4:ec:38:e9:6a:e6 (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=2) Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.211397] wlan0: associated Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.216149] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.218220] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.220204] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.220291] cfg80211: Calling CRDA for country: DE Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.225593] cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: DE Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.225599] cfg80211: (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.225604] cfg80211: (2400000 KHz - 2483500 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (N/A, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.225609] cfg80211: (5150000 KHz - 5350000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (N/A, 2000 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.225614] cfg80211: (5470000 KHz - 5725000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (N/A, 2698 mBm) Apr 12 17:14:27 jill kernel: [ 116.299782] ath: phy2: Reconfigure Beacon timers based on timestamp from the AP Apr 12 17:14:36 jill kernel: [ 125.510012] EXT4-fs (dm-9): re-mounted. Opts: acl,user_xattr,commit=0 Apr 12 17:14:36 jill kernel: [ 125.514931] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: commit=0 Apr 12 17:14:36 jill kernel: [ 125.646231] EXT4-fs (dm-11): re-mounted. Opts: data=ordered,commit=0 Apr 12 17:14:37 jill kernel: [ 126.946681] wlan0: no IPv6 routers present Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.274886] Syncing filesystems ... done. Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.279453] Freezing user space processes ... (elapsed 0.01 seconds) done. Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.291870] PM: Preallocating image memory... done (allocated 218689 pages) Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.646523] PM: Allocated 874756 kbytes in 0.35 seconds (2499.30 MB/s) Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.646526] Freezing remaining freezable tasks ... (elapsed 0.01 seconds) done. Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.658041] Suspending console(s) (use no_console_suspend to debug) Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.662919] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.664981] ath: phy2: AWAKE -> FULL-SLEEP Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.665441] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Synchronizing SCSI cache Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.665665] ath: phy2: FULL-SLEEP -> AWAKE Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.668671] ath: phy2: AWAKE -> FULL-SLEEP Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.868779] ACPI handle has no context! Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.879647] PM: freeze of devices complete after 221.598 msecs Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.879824] PM: late freeze of devices complete after 0.171 msecs Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.880472] PM: noirq freeze of devices complete after 0.644 msecs Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.880941] ACPI: Preparing to enter system sleep state S4 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.885692] PM: Saving platform NVS memory Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.887440] Disabling non-boot CPUs ... Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.888929] CPU 1 is now offline Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.889728] PM: Creating hibernation image: Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.889917] PM: Need to copy 218169 pages Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.889917] PM: Restoring platform NVS memory Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.889917] microcode: CPU0 updated to revision 0xa0b, date = 2010-09-28 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.899599] Enabling non-boot CPUs ... Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.902755] Booting Node 0 Processor 1 APIC 0x1 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.915432] microcode: CPU1 updated to revision 0xa0b, date = 2010-09-28 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.926329] CPU1 is up Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 130.928840] ACPI: Waking up from system sleep state S4 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.165333] PM: noirq restore of devices complete after 231.434 msecs Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.165485] PM: early restore of devices complete after 0.108 msecs Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.289931] i915 0000:00:02.0: setting latency timer to 64 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.294075] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: irq 44 for MSI/MSI-X Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.294654] pci 0000:00:1e.0: setting latency timer to 64 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.294677] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: setting latency timer to 64 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.601146] ata6: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.603114] ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.605108] ata5: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.754089] ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300) Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.766709] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 131.777111] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Starting disk Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.206347] ath: phy2: FULL-SLEEP -> AWAKE Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.214406] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.216885] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.221626] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.223608] ath: phy2: ah->misc_mode 0x4 Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.223779] PM: restore of devices complete after 2933.955 msecs Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.271168] Restarting kernel threads ... done. Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.271463] Restarting tasks ... done. Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.335596] video LNXVIDEO:00: Restoring backlight state Apr 12 17:17:46 jill kernel: [ 134.532000] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) Apr 12 17:17:47 jill kernel: [ 135.876879] EXT4-fs (dm-9): re-mounted. Opts: acl,user_xattr,commit=0 Apr 12 17:17:48 jill kernel: [ 136.217096] EXT4-fs (dm-11): re-mounted. Opts: data=ordered,commit=0 Apr 12 17:17:48 jill kernel: [ 136.221083] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: commit=0 -- MfG, Michael Leun -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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