Date:	Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:31:14 +0200
From:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
To:	huang ying <huang.ying.caritas@...il.com>
Cc:	"Yan, Zheng" <zheng.z.yan@...el.com>, bhelgaas@...gle.com,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-pci@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@...r.kernel.org, Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@...el.com>,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@...el.com>,
	ACPI Devel Mailing List <linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] PCIe: Add PCIe runtime D3cold support

On Thursday, April 19, 2012, huang ying wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...k.pl> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 18, 2012, huang ying wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...k.pl> wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, April 17, 2012, huang ying wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...k.pl> wrote:
> >> >> > On Monday, April 16, 2012, huang ying wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...k.pl> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Yan, Zheng wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Hi all,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> This patch adds PCIe runtime D3cold support, namely cut power supply for functions
> >> >> >> >> beneath a PCIe port when they all have entered D3. A device in D3cold can only
> >> >> >> >> generate wake event through the WAKE# pin. Because we can not access to a device's
> >> >> >> >> configure space while it's in D3cold, pme_poll is disabled for devices in D3cold.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Any comment will be appreciated.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Signed-off-by: Zheng Yan <zheng.z.yan@...el.com>
> >> >> >> >> ---
> >> >> >> >> diff --git a/drivers/pci/pci-acpi.c b/drivers/pci/pci-acpi.c
> >> >> >> >> index 0f150f2..e210e8cb 100644
> >> >> >> >> --- a/drivers/pci/pci-acpi.c
> >> >> >> >> +++ b/drivers/pci/pci-acpi.c
> >> >> >> >> @@ -224,7 +224,7 @@ static int acpi_pci_set_power_state(struct pci_dev *dev, pci_power_t state)
> >> >> >> >>               [PCI_D1] = ACPI_STATE_D1,
> >> >> >> >>               [PCI_D2] = ACPI_STATE_D2,
> >> >> >> >>               [PCI_D3hot] = ACPI_STATE_D3,
> >> >> >> >> -             [PCI_D3cold] = ACPI_STATE_D3
> >> >> >> >> +             [PCI_D3cold] = ACPI_STATE_D3_COLD
> >> >> >> >>       };
> >> >> >> >>       int error = -EINVAL;
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Please don't use that ACPI_STATE_D3_COLD thing, it's not defined correctly.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > We should define ACPI_STATE_D3_COLD == ACPI_STATE_D3 and add ACPI_STATE_D3_HOT
> >> >> >> > instead.  I'll prepare a patch for that over the weekend if no one has done
> >> >> >> > that already.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> @@ -296,7 +296,8 @@ static void acpi_pci_propagate_run_wake(struct pci_bus *bus, bool enable)
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>  static int acpi_pci_run_wake(struct pci_dev *dev, bool enable)
> >> >> >> >>  {
> >> >> >> >> -     if (dev->pme_interrupt)
> >> >> >> >> +     /* PME interrupt isn't available in the D3cold case */
> >> >> >> >> +     if (dev->pme_interrupt && !dev->runtime_d3cold)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > This whole thing is wrong.  First off, I don't think that the runtime_d3cold
> >> >> >> > flag makes any sense.  We already cover that in dev->pme_support.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> PCIe devices and PCIe root port may have proper PME interrupt support
> >> >> >> (that is, dev->pme_interrupt = true), but the process of remote wakeup
> >> >> >> from D3cold is as follow:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1) In D3cold, the power of the main link is turned off, aux power is
> >> >> >> provided (PCIe L2 link state)
> >> >> >> 2) Device detect condition to resume, then assert #WAKE pin
> >> >> >> 2) ACPI circuit linked with #WAKE pin, and will generate a GPE for that
> >> >> >> 3) GPE handler will resume device with ACPI (via _PS3 and _PR0), the
> >> >> >> power of the main link is turned on, after a while, link goes into L0
> >> >> >> state
> >> >> >> 4) The PME message is sent to root port, pme interrupt generated
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This isn't how it's supposed to work in theory.  If the device can signal PME
> >> >> > from D3cold, it should be able to reestablish the link and send a PME
> >> >> > message from there.  dev->pme_interrupt set means exactly that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ACPI is only supposed to be needed for things that don't send PME
> >> >> > messages (in your case the PME interrupt generated by the port is essentially
> >> >> > useless, because the wakeup event has already been signaled through ACPI).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> So, for deivce, dev->pme_interrupt = true and dev->pme_support
> >> >> >> advocate it support PME in D3cold.  But we still need ACPI to setup
> >> >> >> run wake for the device.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > OK, so this is nonstandard.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is the standard behavior.  Please refer to PCI Express Base
> >> >> Sepcification Revision 2.0, section 5.3.3.2 Link Wakeup.  In D1, D2
> >> >> and D3hot state, PCIe device can transit the link from L1 to L0 state,
> >> >> and send the PME message.  In D3cold, the main link is powered off,
> >> >> PCIe device will use a STANDARD sideband signal WAKE# to signal wakeup
> >> >> firstly, then platform (power controller in spec) will power on the
> >> >> main link for the device, after main link is back to L0, the PME
> >> >> message is send to root port, pme interrupt is generated.  So in
> >> >> theory, the wake up process can be divided into platform part (which
> >> >> power on the main link) and PCIe part (which send PME).
> >> >
> >> > That's fine.  However, the platform part should be completely transparent
> >> > to the PCI bus type, then.  It just should power up the link to allow a
> >> > PME message to be transmitted through it.
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> >[...]
> >> >
> >> >> > So don't use pci_set_power_state() for that, because it's essentially
> >> >> > a different operation.  You need a pci_platform_remove_power() helper or
> >> >> > similar for that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What ACPI method exactly is used to remove power from the device?
> >> >>
> >> >> The ACPI method executed is as follow:
> >> >>
> >> >> - _PS3 (if exist)
> >> >> - Power resources in _PR3 is turned on
> >> >> - Power resources in _PR0 is turned off
> >> >> - Power resources in _PR3 is turned off
> >> >
> >> > I'd rather think
> >> >
> >> > - make sure that _PR3 resources are referenced
> >> > - drop references (from this device) for all other power resources
> >> > - execute _PS3 (if any)
> >> > - drop references for _PR3 resources
> >> >
> >> > if Section 7.2.11 of ACPI 5.0 is to be followed.
> >>
> >> Yes.  You are right.
> >>
> >> >> I think the process can fit pci_set_power_state() quite well, so why
> >> >> invent another helper for that?
> >> >
> >> > OK, we can special case it, perhaps.
> >> >
> >> > Suppose we have a "this device may be put into D3_cold" flag.
> >> >
> >> > Who's going to decide whether to put it into D3_hot or D3_cold?
> >>
> >> In most cases, I think it is OK to put device into D3_cold if that is
> >> supported.
> >
> > Well, there may be PM QoS latency requirements preventing us from doing so.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> >> But there should be some special case where D3_cold is not
> >> desirable, for example, we can put SSD into D3_cold safely, but it is
> >> not quite safe to put HDD into D3_cold.  So we want to introduce a
> >> flag: "may_power_off" like in the following patch
> >>
> >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/29/41
> >>
> >> It gives device driver a chance to prevent the device to be put into D3_cold.
> >
> > I see.  So your proposal is that the flag might be used to indicate to
> > whoever carries out power transitions of devices that power must not be
> > removed from this particular device, right?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > In that case we can put that flag into struct dev_pm_info after all, but
> > perhaps the name should indicate more precisely what it is about.  Something
> > like "power_must_be_on" maybe?
> 
> I am not good at naming in English :)
> I will accept your proposal.
> 
> >> > [...]
> >> >
> >> >> >> > So now please tell me what exactly you want to achieve and why you want to do
> >> >> >> > that in the first place.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, is there any chance to get that information?
> >> >>
> >> >> You mean the runtime_d3cold flag? That flag is used to tell
> >> >> acpi_pci_run_wake() that we need ACPI wakeup setup for the device
> >> >> because that is needed by D3cold.  The ACPI wakeup setup here means
> >> >> turn on power resources needed by wake up (_PRW) and execute _DSW.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you mean the whole patch, we want to implement runtime D3cold
> >> >> support, which can save more power than D3hot.
> >> >
> >> > So, do I think correctly that you'd like to put devices into D3_cold
> >> > if that's possible via ACPI and to be able to wake it up from that state
> >> > using remote wakeup?
> >>
> >> Yes.  Support both remote wakeup and host wakeup.
> >
> > OK, so we need to clean up the ACPI D3_HOT/D3_COLD mess first.  Then, we need
> > to change PCI so that devices are not put into D3cold (by ACPI) if only D3hot
> > is requested by the caller of pci_set_power_state().
> >
> > Having done that, we can modify pci_set_power_state() to handle D3cold as
> > a special case (essentially, it should check that case before doing anything
> > else).  Finally, we need to teach the ACPI notify handler about the WAKE#
> > event and we need to add the 100 ms wait to the device resume code path
> > somewhere (I guess in pci_set_power_state() for the D3cold->D0 transition).
> 
> Yes.  Sound good to me.
> 
> > Now, there's one more thing to consider.  Namely, if a PCIe endpoint is put
> > into D3hot (via native PM) and then the port it is connected to is put into
> > D3_hot (via native PM), does that transfer the endpoint into D3cold?
> 
> No.
> 
> But if a PCIe endpoint is put into D3hot and then the port it is
> connected is put into D3_cold (via ACPI), this will transfer the
> endpoint into D3_cold, and if the port is put into D0 afterwards, all
> subordinate endpoint devices will be put into D0 (because of power on
> reset).  I think what we need to do here is:
> 
> - when choose power state, if any subordinate device has
> power_must_be_on set, will not choose D3_cold

Well, that's quite obvious. :-)

> - when put PCIe port from D3_cold to D0, resume all subordinate
> devices too.

Alternatively, we can just call pci_restore_state() on them and put
them into PCI_D3hot again without actually resuming.

> We design a method to do that in following patch:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/29/38
> 
> Where we will register all subordinate devices via
> acpi_power_resource_register_device(endpoint_device,
> bridget_acpi_handle).

I think that's overkill in the case of PCI devices under a PCIe port.
We only need to walk the bus below the port and do something for each device
in there then.

Thanks,
Rafael
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