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Date:	Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:08:08 +0400
From:	Glauber Costa <glommer@...allels.com>
To:	Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>
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	Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
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	"Christoph Lameter" <cl@...ux.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...nel.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...helsinki.fi>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/11] mm: Allocate kernel pages to the right memcg

On 08/14/2012 07:16 PM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 05:01:15PM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
>> When a process tries to allocate a page with the __GFP_KMEMCG flag, the
>> page allocator will call the corresponding memcg functions to validate
>> the allocation. Tasks in the root memcg can always proceed.
>>
>> To avoid adding markers to the page - and a kmem flag that would
>> necessarily follow, as much as doing page_cgroup lookups for no reason,
> 
> As you already guessed, doing a page_cgroup in the page allocator free
> path would be a no-go.

Specifically yes, but in general, you will be able to observe that I am
taking all the possible measures to make sure existing paths are
disturbed as little as possible.

Thanks for your review here

>>  
>> diff --git a/mm/page_alloc.c b/mm/page_alloc.c
>> index b956cec..da341dc 100644
>> --- a/mm/page_alloc.c
>> +++ b/mm/page_alloc.c
>> @@ -2532,6 +2532,7 @@ __alloc_pages_nodemask(gfp_t gfp_mask, unsigned int order,
>>  	struct page *page = NULL;
>>  	int migratetype = allocflags_to_migratetype(gfp_mask);
>>  	unsigned int cpuset_mems_cookie;
>> +	void *handle = NULL;
>>  
>>  	gfp_mask &= gfp_allowed_mask;
>>  
>> @@ -2543,6 +2544,13 @@ __alloc_pages_nodemask(gfp_t gfp_mask, unsigned int order,
>>  		return NULL;
>>  
>>  	/*
>> +	 * Will only have any effect when __GFP_KMEMCG is set.
>> +	 * This is verified in the (always inline) callee
>> +	 */
>> +	if (!memcg_kmem_new_page(gfp_mask, &handle, order))
> 
> memcg_kmem_new_page takes a void * parameter already but here you are
> passing in a void **. This probably happens to work because you do this
> 
> struct mem_cgroup **handle = (struct mem_cgroup **)_handle;
> 
> but that appears to defeat the purpose of having an opaque type as a
> "handle". You have to treat it different then passing it into the commit
> function because it expects a void *. The motivation for an opaque type
> is completely unclear to me and how it is managed with a mix of void *
> and void ** is very confusing.


okay.

The opaque exists because I am doing speculative charging. I believe it
to be a better and less complicated approach then letting a page appear
and then charging it. Besides being consistent with the rest of memcg,
it won't create unnecessary disturbance in the page allocator
when the allocation is to fail.

Now, tasks can move between memcgs, so we can't rely on grabbing it from
current in commit_page, so we pass it around as a handle. Also, even if
the task could not move, we already got it once from the task, and that
is not for free. Better save it.

Aside from the handle needed, the cost is more or less the same compared
to doing it in one pass. All we do by using speculative charging is to
split the cost in two, and doing it from two places.
We'd have to charge + update page_cgroup anyway.

As for the type, do you think using struct mem_cgroup would be less
confusing?

> On a similar note I spotted #define memcg_kmem_on 1 . That is also
> different just for the sake of it. The convension is to do something
> like this
> 
> /* This helps us to avoid #ifdef CONFIG_NUMA */
> #ifdef CONFIG_NUMA
> #define NUMA_BUILD 1
> #else
> #define NUMA_BUILD 0
> #endif


For simple defines, yes. But a later patch will turn this into a static
branch test. memcg_kmem_on will be always 0 when compile-disabled, but
when enable will expand to static_branch(&...).


> memcg_kmem_on was difficult to guess based on its name. I thought initially
> that it would only be active if a memcg existed or at least something like
> mem_cgroup_disabled() but it's actually enabled if CONFIG_MEMCG_KMEM is set.

For now. And I thought that adding the static branch in this patch would
only confuse matters. The placeholder is there, but it is later patched
to the final thing.

With that explained, if you want me to change it to something else, I
can do it. Should I ?

> I also find it *very* strange to have a function named as if it is an
> allocation-style function when it in fact it's looking up a mem_cgroup
> and charging it (and uncharging it in the error path if necessary). If
> it was called memcg_kmem_newpage_charge I might have found it a little
> better.

I don't feel strongly about names in general. I can change it.
Will update to memcg_kmem_newpage_charge() and memcg_kmem_page_uncharge().

> This whole operation also looks very expensive (cgroup lookups, RCU locks
> taken etc) but I guess you're willing to take that cost in the same of
> isolating containers from each other. However, I strongly suggest that
> this overhead is measured in advance. It should not stop the series being
> merged as such but it should be understood because if the cost is high
> then this feature will be avoided like the plague. I am skeptical that
> distributions would enable this by default, at least not without support
> for cgroup_disable=kmem

Enabling this feature will bring you nothing, therefore, no (or little)
overhead. Nothing of this will be patched in until the first memcg gets
kmem limited. The mere fact of moving tasks to memcgs won't trigger any
of this.

I haven't measured this series in particular, but I did measure the slab
series (which builds ontop of this). I found the per-allocation cost to
be in the order of 2-3 % for tasks living in limited memcgs, and
hard to observe when living in the root memcg (compared of course to the
case of a task running on root memcg without those patches)

I also believe the folks from google also measured this. They may be
able to spit out numbers grabbed from a system bigger than mine =p

> As this thing is called from within the allocator, it's not clear why
> __memcg_kmem_new_page is exported. I can't imagine why a module would call
> it directly although maybe you cover that somewhere else in the series.

Okay, more people commented on this, so let me clarify: They shouldn't
be. They were initially exported when this was about the slab only,
because they could be called from inlined functions from the allocators.
Now that the charge/uncharge was moved to the page allocator - which
already allowed me the big benefit of separating this in two pieces,
none of this needs to be exported.

Sorry for not noticing this myself, but thanks for the eyes =)

> From the point of view of a hook, that is acceptable but just barely. I have
> slammed other hooks because it was possible for a subsystem to override them
> meaning the runtime cost could be anything. I did not spot a similar issue
> here but if I missed it, it's still unacceptable. At least here the cost
> is sortof predictable and only affects memcg because of the __GFP_KMEMCG
> check in memcg_kmem_new_page.

Yes, that is the idea. And I don't think anyone should override those,
so I don't see them as hooks in this sense.

>> +		return NULL;
>> +
>> +	/*
>>  	 * Check the zones suitable for the gfp_mask contain at least one
>>  	 * valid zone. It's possible to have an empty zonelist as a result
>>  	 * of GFP_THISNODE and a memoryless node
>> @@ -2583,6 +2591,8 @@ out:
>>  	if (unlikely(!put_mems_allowed(cpuset_mems_cookie) && !page))
>>  		goto retry_cpuset;
>>  
>> +	memcg_kmem_commit_page(page, handle, order);
>> +
> 
> As a side note, I'm not keen on how you shortcut these functions. They
> are all function calls because memcg_kmem_commit_page() will always call
> __memcg_kmem_commit_page() to check the handle once it's compiled in.
> The handle==NULL check should have happened in the inline function to save
> a few cycles.
>

It is already happening on my updated series after a comment from Kame
pointed this out.

> This also has the feel that the call of memcg_kmem_commit_page belongs in
> prep_new_page() but I recognise that requires passing the opaque handler
> around which would be very ugly.

Indeed, and that is the reason why I kept everything local.


>>  	return page;

> 
> memcg_kmem_new_page makes the following check
> 
> +       if (!(gfp & __GFP_KMEMCG) || (gfp & __GFP_NOFAIL))
> +               return true;
> 
> so if the allocation had __GFP_NOFAIL, it does not get charged but can
> still be freed. I didn't check if this is really the case but it looks
> very suspicious.

No, it can't be freed (uncharged), because in that case, we won't fill
in the memcg information in page cgroup.

> 
> Again, this is a fairly heavy operation.


Mel, once I address all the issues you pointed out here, do you think
this would be in an acceptable state for merging? Do you still have any
fundamental opposition to this?

thanks again
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