linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 04/11] kmem accounting basic infrastructure

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Date:	Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:00:43 +0400
From:	Glauber Costa <glommer@...allels.com>
To:	Ying Han <yinghan@...gle.com>
CC:	Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.cz>, <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	<linux-mm@...ck.org>, <cgroups@...r.kernel.org>,
	<devel@...nvz.org>, "Johannes Weiner" <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	<kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>, Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>,
	"David Rientjes" <rientjes@...gle.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 04/11] kmem accounting basic infrastructure

On 08/15/2012 10:01 PM, Ying Han wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.cz> wrote:
>> On Wed 15-08-12 13:33:55, Glauber Costa wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> This can
>>>> be quite confusing.  I am still not sure whether we should mix the two
>>>> things together. If somebody wants to limit the kernel memory he has to
>>>> touch the other limit anyway.  Do you have a strong reason to mix the
>>>> user and kernel counters?
>>>
>>> This is funny, because the first opposition I found to this work was
>>> "Why would anyone want to limit it separately?" =p
>>>
>>> It seems that a quite common use case is to have a container with a
>>> unified view of "memory" that it can use the way he likes, be it with
>>> kernel memory, or user memory. I believe those people would be happy to
>>> just silently account kernel memory to user memory, or at the most have
>>> a switch to enable it.
>>>
>>> What gets clear from this back and forth, is that there are people
>>> interested in both use cases.
>>
>> I am still not 100% sure myself. It is just clear that the reclaim would
>> need some work in order to do accounting like this.
>>
>>>> My impression was that kernel allocation should simply fail while user
>>>> allocations might reclaim as well. Why should we reclaim just because of
>>>> the kernel allocation (which is unreclaimable from hard limit reclaim
>>>> point of view)?
>>>
>>> That is not what the kernel does, in general. We assume that if he wants
>>> that memory and we can serve it, we should. Also, not all kernel memory
>>> is unreclaimable. We can shrink the slabs, for instance. Ying Han
>>> claims she has patches for that already...
>>
>> Are those patches somewhere around?
> 
> Yes, I am working on it to post it sometime *this week*. My last
> rebase is based on v3.3 and now I am trying to get it rebased to
> github-memcg. The patch itself has a functional dependency on kernel
> slab accounting, and I am trying to get that rebased on Glauber's tree
> but has some difficulty now. What I am planning to do is post the RFC
> w/ only complied version by far.

That would be great, so we can start looking at its design, at least.

> The patch handles dentry cache shrinker only at this moment. That is
> what we discussed last time as well, where dentry contributes most of
> the reclaimable objects. (it pins inode, so we leave inode behind)
> 

This will mark the inodes as reclaimable, but will leave them in memory.
If we are assuming memory pressure, it would be good to shrink them too.


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