Date:	Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:49:30 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	John Stultz <john.stultz@...aro.org>
Cc:	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@...el.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@...ibm.com>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@...gle.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@...il.com>,
	Prarit Bhargava <prarit@...hat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6][RFC] Rework vsyscall to avoid truncation/rounding
 issue in timekeeping core

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 3:04 PM, John Stultz <john.stultz@...aro.org> wrote:
> This item has been on my todo list for a number of years.
>
> One interesting bit of the timekeeping code is that we internally
> keep sub-nanosecond precision. This allows for really fine
> grained error accounting, which allows us to keep long term
> accuracy, even if the clocksource can only make very coarse
> adjustments.
>
> Since sub-nanosecond precision isn't useful to userland, we
> normally truncate this extra data off before handing it to
> userland. So only the timekeeping core deals with this extra
> resolution.
>
> Brief background here:
>
> Timekeeping roughly works as follows:
>         time_ns = base_ns + cyc2ns(cycles)
>
> With our sub-ns resolution we can internally do calculations
> like:
>         base_ns = 0.9
>         cyc2ns(cycles) =  0.9
>         Thus:
>         time_ns = 0.9 + 0.9 = 1.8 (which we truncate down to 1)
>
>
> Where we periodically accumulate the cyc2ns(cycles) portion into
> the base_ns to avoid cycles getting to large where it might overflow.
>
> So we might have a case where we accumulate 3 cycle "chunks", each
> cycle being 10.3 ns long.
>
> So before accumulation:
>         base_ns = 0
>         cyc2ns(4) = 41.2
>         time_now = 41.2 (truncated to 41)
>
> After accumulation:
>         base_ns = 30.9
>         cyc2ns(1) = 10.3
>         time_now = 41.2 (truncated to 41)
>
>
> One quirk is when we export timekeeping data to the vsyscall code,
> we also truncate the extra resolution. This in the past has caused
> problems, where single nanosecond inconsistencies could be detected.
>
> So before accumulation:
>         base_ns = 0
>         cyc2ns(4) = 41.2 (truncated to 41)
>         time_now = 41
>
> After accumulation:
>         base_ns = 30.9 (truncated to 30)
>         cyc2ns(1) = 10.3 (truncated to 10)
>         time_now = 40
>
> And time looks like it went backwards!
>
> In order to avoid this, we currently end round up to the next
> nanosecond when we do accumulation. In order to keep this from
> causing long term drift (as much as 1ns per tick), we add the
> amount we rounded up to the error accounting, which will slow the
> clocksource frequency appropriately to avoid the drift.
>
> This works, but causes the clocksource adjustment code to do much
> more work. Steven Rosdet pointed out that the unlikely() case in
> timekeeping_adjust is ends up being true every time.
>
> Further this, rounding up and slowing down adds more complexity to
> the timekeeping core.
>
> The better solution is to provide the full sub-nanosecond precision
> data to the vsyscall code, so that we do the truncation on the final
> data, in the exact same way the timekeeping core does, rather then
> truncating some of the source data. This requires reworking the
> vsyscall code paths (x86, ppc, s390, ia64) to be able to handle this
> extra data.
>
> This patch set provides an initial draft of how I'd like to solve it.
> 1) Introducing first a way for the vsyscall data to access the entire
>    timekeeper stat
> 2) Transitioning the existing update_vsyscall methods to
>    update_vsyscall_old
> 3) Introduce the new full-resolution update_vsyscall method
> 4) Limit the problematic extra rounding to only systems using the
>    old vsyscall method
> 5) Convert x86 to use the new vsyscall update and full resolution
>    gettime calculation.
>
> Powerpc, s390 and ia64 will also need to be converted, but this
> allows for a slow transition.
>
> Anyway, I'd greatly appreciate any thoughts or feedback on this
> approach.

I haven't looked in any great detail, but the approach looks sensible
and should slow down the vsyscall code.

That being said, as long as you're playing with this, here are a
couple thoughts:

1. The TSC-reading code does this:

	ret = (cycle_t)vget_cycles();

	last = VVAR(vsyscall_gtod_data).clock.cycle_last;

	if (likely(ret >= last))
		return ret;

I haven't specifically benchmarked the cost of that branch, but I
suspect it's a fairly large fraction of the total cost of
vclock_gettime.  IIUC, the point is that there might be a few cycles
worth of clock skew even on systems with otherwise usable TSCs, and we
don't want a different CPU to return complete garbage if the cycle
count is just below cycle_last.

A different formulation would avoid the problem: set cycle_last to,
say, 100ms *before* the time of the last update_vsyscall, and adjust
the wall_time, etc variables accordingly.  That way a few cycles (or
anything up to 100ms) or skew won't cause an overflow.  Then you could
kill that branch.


2. There's nothing vsyscall-specific about the code in
vclock_gettime.c.  In fact, the VVAR macro should work just fine in
kernel code.  If you moved all this code into a header, then in-kernel
uses could use it, and maybe even other arches could use it.  Last
time I checked, it seemed like vclock_gettime was considerably faster
than whatever the in-kernel equivalent did.


3. The mul_u64_u32_shr function [1] might show up soon, and it would
potentially allow much longer intervals between timekeeping updates.
I'm not sure whether the sub-ns formuation would still work, though (I
suspect it would with some care).


[1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/4/25/150

--Andy

>
> Thanks
> -john
>
> Cc: Tony Luck <tony.luck@...el.com>
> Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>
> Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>
> Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
> Cc: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@...ibm.com>
> Cc: Paul Turner <pjt@...gle.com>
> Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
> Cc: Richard Cochran <richardcochran@...il.com>
> Cc: Prarit Bhargava <prarit@...hat.com>
> Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
>
>
>
> John Stultz (6):
>   time: Move timekeeper structure to timekeeper_internal.h for vsyscall
>     changes
>   time: Move update_vsyscall definitions to timekeeper_internal.h
>   time: Convert CONFIG_GENERIC_TIME_VSYSCALL to
>     CONFIG_GENERIC_TIME_VSYSCALL_OLD
>   time: Introduce new GENERIC_TIME_VSYSCALL
>   time: Only do nanosecond rounding on GENERIC_TIME_VSYSCALL_OLD
>     systems
>   time: Convert x86_64 to using new update_vsyscall
>
>  arch/ia64/Kconfig                   |    2 +-
>  arch/ia64/kernel/time.c             |    4 +-
>  arch/powerpc/Kconfig                |    2 +-
>  arch/powerpc/kernel/time.c          |    4 +-
>  arch/s390/Kconfig                   |    2 +-
>  arch/s390/kernel/time.c             |    4 +-
>  arch/x86/include/asm/vgtod.h        |    4 +-
>  arch/x86/kernel/vsyscall_64.c       |   49 +++++++++------
>  arch/x86/vdso/vclock_gettime.c      |   22 ++++---
>  include/linux/clocksource.h         |   16 -----
>  include/linux/timekeeper_internal.h |  108 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  kernel/time.c                       |    2 +-
>  kernel/time/Kconfig                 |    4 ++
>  kernel/time/timekeeping.c           |  115 ++++++++++-------------------------
>  14 files changed, 200 insertions(+), 138 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 include/linux/timekeeper_internal.h
>
> --
> 1.7.9.5
>
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