linux-kernel - RE: [PATCH 1/2] mm: Export vm_committed

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Message-ID: <426367E2313C2449837CD2DE46E7EAF930DFC381@SN2PRD0310MB382.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Date:	Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:28:32 +0000
From:	KY Srinivasan <kys@...rosoft.com>
To:	Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.cz>
CC:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	"olaf@...fle.de" <olaf@...fle.de>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"andi@...stfloor.org" <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	"apw@...onical.com" <apw@...onical.com>,
	"devel@...uxdriverproject.org" <devel@...uxdriverproject.org>,
	"linux-mm@...ck.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	Hiroyuki Kamezawa <kamezawa.hiroyuki@...il.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	Ying Han <yinghan@...gle.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/2] mm: Export vm_committed_as



> -----Original Message-----
> From: KY Srinivasan
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 7:53 AM
> To: 'Michal Hocko'
> Cc: Andrew Morton; Greg KH; olaf@...fle.de; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org;
> andi@...stfloor.org; apw@...onical.com; devel@...uxdriverproject.org; linux-
> mm@...ck.org; Hiroyuki Kamezawa; Johannes Weiner; Ying Han
> Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/2] mm: Export vm_committed_as
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michal Hocko [mailto:mstsxfx@...il.com] On Behalf Of Michal Hocko
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:06 AM
> > To: KY Srinivasan
> > Cc: Andrew Morton; Greg KH; olaf@...fle.de; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org;
> > andi@...stfloor.org; apw@...onical.com; devel@...uxdriverproject.org; linux-
> > mm@...ck.org; Hiroyuki Kamezawa; Johannes Weiner; Ying Han
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: Export vm_committed_as
> >
> > On Mon 05-11-12 22:12:25, KY Srinivasan wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andrew Morton [mailto:akpm@...ux-foundation.org]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:45 PM
> > > > To: KY Srinivasan
> > > > Cc: Greg KH; olaf@...fle.de; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org;
> > andi@...stfloor.org;
> > > > apw@...onical.com; devel@...uxdriverproject.org; linux-mm@...ck.org;
> > > > Hiroyuki Kamezawa; Michal Hocko; Johannes Weiner; Ying Han
> > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: Export vm_committed_as
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:09:38 +0000
> > > > KY Srinivasan <kys@...rosoft.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok, but you're going to have to get the -mm developers to agree that
> > > > > > > this is ok before I can accept it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well I guess it won't kill us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew,
> > > > >
> > > > > I presumed this was an Ack from you with regards to exporting the
> > > > > symbol. Looks like Greg is waiting to hear from you before he can check
> > > > > these patches in. Could you provide an explicit Ack.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I do have some qualms about exporting vm_committed_as to
> modules.
> > > >
> > > > vm_committed_as is a global thing and only really makes sense in a
> > > > non-containerised system.  If the application is running within a
> > > > memory cgroup then vm_enough_memory() and the global overcommit
> > policy
> > > > are at best irrelevant and misleading.
> > > >
> > > > If use of vm_committed_as is indeed a bad thing, then exporting it to
> > > > modules might increase the amount of badness in the kernel.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't think these qualms are serious enough to stand in the way of
> > > > this patch, but I'd be interested in hearing the memcg developers'
> > > > thoughts on the matter?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps you could provide a detailed description of why your module
> > > > actually needs this?  Precisely what information is it looking for
> > > > and why?  If we know that then perhaps a more comfortable alternative
> > > > can be found.
> > >
> > > The Hyper-V host has a policy engine for managing available physical
> > > memory across competing virtual machines. This policy decision
> > > is based on a number of parameters including the memory pressure
> > > reported by the guest. Currently, the pressure calculation is based
> > > on the memory commitment made by the guest. From what I can tell, the
> > > ratio of currently allocated physical memory to the current memory
> > > commitment made by the guest (vm_committed_as) is used as one of the
> > > parameters in making the memory balancing decision on the host. This
> > > is what Windows guests report to the host. So, I need some measure of
> > > memory commitments made by the Linux guest. This is the reason I want
> > > export vm_committed_as.
> >
> > So IIUC it will be guest who reports the value and the guest runs in the
> > ring-0 so it is not in any user process context, right?
> > If this is correct then memcg doesn't play any role here.
> 
> Thanks Michal. Yes, the kernel driver reports this metric to the host.
> Andrew, let me know how I should proceed here.

Ping.

Regards,

K. Y
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> K. Y


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