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Date:	Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:24:40 +0000
From:	Grant Likely <grant.likely@...retlab.ca>
To:	Pantelis Antoniou <panto@...oniou-consulting.com>
Cc:	David Gibson <david@...son.dropbear.id.au>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@...dotorg.org>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@...com>, Matt Porter <mporter@...com>,
	Koen Kooi <koen@...inion.thruhere.net>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@...com>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@...aro.org>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@...escale.com>,
	Russ Dill <Russ.Dill@...com>, linux-omap@...r.kernel.org,
	devicetree-discuss@...ts.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving
 omap_devices to mach-omap2)

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Pantelis Antoniou
<panto@...oniou-consulting.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:25 AM, David Gibson wrote:
> Not good to rely on userspace kicking off dtc and compiling from source.
> Some capes/expansion boards might have your root fs device, for example
> there is an eMMC cape coming up, while networking capes are common too.
>
> However I have a compromise.
>
> I agree that compiling from source can be an option for a runtime definable
> cape, but for built-in capes we could do a bit better.
>
> In particular, I don't see any particular need to have a DT fragment
> reference anything that dependent of the runtime device tree. It should
> be possible to compile the DT fragment in kernel, against the generated
> flattened device tree, producing a flattened DT fragment with the phandles
> already resolved.

Do you mean linking dtc into the kernel?

> So the sequence could be something like this:
>
> $ dtc -O dtb -o am335x-bone.dtb -b 0 am335x-bone.dts -@ ${LAST_PHANDLE_FILE}
> $ dtc -O dtbf -R am335x-bone.dtb -o weather-cape.dtb -b 0 weather-cape.dts -@ ${LAST_PHANDLE_FILE}
> $ dtc -O dtbf -R am335x-bone.dtb -o geiger-cape.dtb -b 0 geiger-cape.dts -@ ${LAST_PHANDLE_FILE}
>
> The ${LAST_PHANDLE_FILE} can be updated with the last phandle value generated.
>
> Alternatively we could have a way to statically assign a phandle range
> for well known capes. All the others will have to use the runtime compile
> mechanism.
> $ dtc -O dtb -o am335x-bone.dtb -b 0 am335x-bone.dts
> $ dtc -O dtbf -R am335x-bone.dtb -o weather-cape.dtb -b 0 weather-cape.dts
> $ dtc -O dtbf -R am335x-bone.dtb -o geiger-cape.dtb -b 0 geiger-cape.dts
>
> With the cape dtses having a /phandle-range/ statement at the top.

I really think the whole phandle allocation thing is a non problem.
Generating phandles is the easy part, and using a good hash function
pretty much solves it entirely. I know people are worried about
collisions, but there are only two scenarios where collisions may
happen:

1) base and overlay try to define same phandle
  - Easy to detect - kernel can complain and refuse to load if it happens
  - Will never happen when overlay is compiled against the base used
to boot (dtc can resolve the conflict)
  - Hash phandle generation makes this exceptionally rare
2) two overlays try to define same phandle
  - Also easy to detect on loading the second overlay - kernel will
  - Hash phandle generation still makes this exceptionally rare

In both cases a collision is extremely rare and if it does happen it
will not fail silently. Besides, in the odd scenario where it does
happen, a node can be manually assigned a phandle. It is far better to
do the manual override maybe once or twice (actually, I'd be surprised
if it is ever needed) than to get into any kind of numberspace
management for phandles. That's just a maintenance nightmare.

The hard bit to solve has always been when the overlay expects
different phandles than the base is using, and that problem only
occurs if the overlay is compiled against a different base dtb than
was used to boot the system. Hashed phandle generation even makes
phandles very stable when the base dtb is recompiled, and if they do
change, then the kernel can detect it and report an error. Again, no
silent failures. Phandle fixup does make the problem disappears
entirely but I'm concerned that it is still incomplete (see below) and
would be conceptually expensive.

Once of the requests is to support one overlay .dtb with many
different baseboards, but now that I've thought about it more I
realize that it just won't work for anything beyond the most trivial
case. Phandle fixup isn's sufficient. The format of GPIO, Interrupt,
clock, etc specifiers may change if the base board nodes change. The
specifiers are not portable.

So, I no longer think that plain dtb overlays alone will work against
any base board. Something more is needed. It may be the mechanism for
loading new data into the kernel, but something really generic does
require either being compiled at runtime (as David suggests) or each
expansion interface (ie. the BeagleBone expansion or the RPi
expansion) to really specify what kinds of references are allowed and
run all specifiers through translation nodes. Similar to how
interrupt-map works.

> i2c2: i2c@...9c000 {
>         compatible = "ti,omap4-i2c";
>         #address-cells = <1>;
>         #size-cells = <0>;
>         ti,hwmods = "i2c3";
>         reg = <0x4819c000 0x1000>;
>         interrupt-parent = <&intc>;
>         interrupts = <30>;
>         status = "disabled";
> };
>
> And in the cape definition (when compiled with the special mode I describe
> below)
>
> / {
>         plugin-bundle;
>         compatible = "cco,weather-cape";
>         version = <00A0>;
>
>         i2c2-graft = {
>                 compatible = <dt,graft>;
>                 graft-point = <&i2c2>;

Since overlays are different, we can interpret them slightly
differently. The node name itself could be the graft point, and the
name could be either a full path "/foo/bar/i2c@...02000" or an alias
reference "i2c2". I think that is a bit better than a new graft-point
property.

g.
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