Date:	Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:44:04 +0000
From:	Grant Likely <grant.likely@...retlab.ca>
To:	Mark Brown <broonie@...nsource.wolfsonmicro.com>
Cc:	Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@...dia.com>,
	Anton Vorontsov <cbouatmailru@...il.com>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@...dia.com>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@...onic-design.de>,
	Mark Zhang <markz@...dia.com>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring@...xeda.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, linux-tegra@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-fbdev@...r.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@...ts.ozlabs.org,
	linux-pm@...r.kernel.org, Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv9 1/3] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:31:34 +0900, Mark Brown <broonie@...nsource.wolfsonmicro.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:54:29PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:55:45 +0900, Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@...dia.com> wrote:
> 
> > > With the advent of the device tree and of ARM kernels that are not
> > > board-tied, we cannot rely on these board-specific hooks anymore but
> 
> > This isn't strictly true. It is still perfectly fine to have board
> > specific code when necessary. However, there is strong encouragement to
> > enable that code in device drivers as much as possible and new board
> > files need to have very strong justification.
> 
> This isn't the message that's gone over, and even for device drivers
> everyone seems to be taking the whole device tree thing as a move to
> pull all data out of the kernel.  In some cases there are some real
> practical advantages to doing this but a lot of the people making these
> changes seem to view having things in DT as a goal in itself.

I know, and I do apologize for my part in not communicating and
shepherding enough. For anyone reading; please be pragmatic on putting
things into the DT. If a binding starts to look really complex, ask
whether or not it helps things.

> > I'm thinking about the scripts as trivial-to-parse ascii strings that
> > have a very simple set of commands. The commands use resources already
> > defined in the node. ie. 'g0' refers to the first entry in the gpios
> > property. 'r0' for the regulator, 'p0' for the pwms, 'd' means delay. By
> > no means take this as the format to use, it is just an example off the
> > top of my head, but it is already way easier to work with than putting
> > each command into a node.
> 
> It does appear to have some legibility challenges, especially with using
> the indexes into the arrays of resources.  On the other hand the arrays
> should be fairly small.

This is merely an example off the top of my head. I'm in no way wed to
the syntax.

> > > +Platform Data Format
> > > +--------------------
> > > +All relevant data structures for declaring power sequences are located in
> > > +include/linux/power_seq.h.
> 
> > Hmm... If sequences are switched to a string instead, then platform_data
> > should also use it. The power sequence data structures can be created at
> > runtime by parsing the string.
> 
> Seems like a step backwards to me - why not let people store the more
> parsed version of the data?  It's going to be less convenient for users
> on non-DT systems.
> 
> As I said in my earlier reviews I think this is a useful thing to have
> as a utility library for drivers independantly of the DT bindings, it
> would allow drivers to become more data driven.  Perhaps we can rework
> the series so that the DT bindings are added as a final patch?  All the
> rest of the code seems OK.

I'm fine with that if the bindings don't get merged yet.

g.

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