linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH v3 1/9] CPU hotplug: Provide APIs to prevent CPU offline from atomic context

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Message-ID: <50C75F1C.4000907@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:	Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:58:12 +0530
From:	"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 1/9] CPU hotplug: Provide APIs to prevent CPU offline
 from atomic context

On 12/11/2012 07:37 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 07:32:13PM +0530, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
>> On 12/11/2012 07:17 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
>>> Hello, Srivatsa.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 06:43:54PM +0530, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
>>>> This approach (of using synchronize_sched()) also looks good. It is simple,
>>>> yet effective, but unfortunately inefficient at the writer side (because
>>>> he'll have to wait for a full synchronize_sched()).
>>>
>>> While synchornize_sched() is heavier on the writer side than the
>>> originally posted version, it doesn't stall the whole machine and
>>> wouldn't introduce latencies to others.  Shouldn't that be enough?
>>>
>>
>> Short answer: Yes. But we can do better, with almost comparable code
>> complexity. So I'm tempted to try that out.
>>
>> Long answer:
>> Even in the synchronize_sched() approach, we still have to identify the
>> readers who need to be converted to use the new get/put_online_cpus_atomic()
>> APIs and convert them. Then, if we can come up with a scheme such that
>> the writer has to wait only for those readers to complete, then why not?
>>
>> If such a scheme ends up becoming too complicated, then I agree, we
>> can use synchronize_sched() itself. (That's what I meant by saying that
>> we'll use this as a fallback).
>>
>> But even in this scheme which uses synchronize_sched(), we are
>> already half-way through (we already use 2 types of sync schemes -
>> counters and rwlocks). Just a little more logic can get rid of the
>> unnecessary full-wait too.. So why not give it a shot?
> 
> It's not really about the code complexity but making the reader side
> as light as possible.  Please keep in mind that reader side is still
> *way* more hotter than the writer side.  Before, the writer side was
> heavy to the extent which causes noticeable disruptions on the whole
> system and I think that's what we're trying to hunt down here.  If we
> can shave of memory barriers from reader side by using
> synchornized_sched() on writer side, that is the *better* result, not
> worse.
> 

That's a fair point. Hmmm...
Regards,
Srivatsa S. Bhat

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