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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:36:57 +0530 From: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com> CC: tglx@...utronix.de, peterz@...radead.org, paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, rusty@...tcorp.com.au, mingo@...nel.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org, namhyung@...nel.org, vincent.guittot@...aro.org, tj@...nel.org, sbw@....edu, amit.kucheria@...aro.org, rostedt@...dmis.org, rjw@...k.pl, wangyun@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, xiaoguangrong@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, nikunj@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-pm@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 1/9] CPU hotplug: Provide APIs to prevent CPU offline from atomic context On 12/20/2012 07:12 PM, Oleg Nesterov wrote: > On 12/20, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote: >> >> On 12/20/2012 12:44 AM, Oleg Nesterov wrote: >>> >>> We need 2 helpers for writer, the 1st one does synchronize_sched() and the >>> 2nd one takes rwlock. A generic percpu_write_lock() simply calls them both. >>> >> >> Ah, that's the problem no? Users of reader-writer locks expect to run in >> atomic context (ie., they don't want to sleep). > > Ah, I misunderstood. > > Sure, percpu_write_lock() should be might_sleep(), and this is not > symmetric to percpu_read_lock(). > >> We can't expose an API that >> can make the task go to sleep under the covers! > > Why? Just this should be documented. However I would not worry until we > find another user. Until then we do not even need to add percpu_write_lock > or try to generalize this code too much. > Hmm.. But considering the disable_nonboot_cpus() case you mentioned below, I'm only getting farther away from using synchronize_sched() ;-) And that also makes it easier to expose a generic percpu rwlock API, like Tejun was suggesting. So I'll give it a shot. >>> To me, the main question is: can we use synchronize_sched() in cpu_down? >>> It is slow. >>> >> >> Haha :-) So we don't want smp_mb() in the reader, > > We need mb() + rmb(). Plust cli/sti unless this arch has optimized > this_cpu_add() like x86 (as you pointed out). > >> *and* also don't want >> synchronize_sched() in the writer! Sounds like saying we want to have the cake >> and eat it too ;-) :P > > Personally I'd vote for synchronize_sched() but I am not sure. And I do > not really understand the problem space. > >> And moreover, since I'm still not convinced about the writer API part if use >> synchronize_sched(), I'd rather avoid synchronize_sched().) > > Understand. > > And yes, synchronize_sched() adds more problems. For example, where should > we call it? I do not this _cpu_down() should do this, in this case, say, > disable_nonboot_cpus() needs num_online_cpus() synchronize_sched's. > Ouch! I should have seen that coming! > So probably cpu_down() should call it before cpu_maps_update_begin(), this > makes the locking even less obvious. > True. > In short. What I am trying to say is, don't ask me I do not know ;) > OK then, I'll go with what I believe is a reasonably good way (not necessarily the best way) to deal with this: I'll avoid the use of synchronize_sched(), expose a decent-looking percpu rwlock implementation, use it in CPU hotplug and get rid of stop_machine(). That would certainly be a good starting base, IMHO. Regards, Srivatsa S. Bhat -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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