linux-kernel - Re: [ANNOUNCE] 3.9-rc1-nohz1

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Date:	Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:38:42 +0100
From:	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
Cc:	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Alessio Igor Bogani <abogani@...nel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...era.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>,
	Geoff Levand <geoff@...radead.org>,
	Gilad Ben Yossef <gilad@...yossef.com>,
	Hakan Akkan <hakanakkan@...il.com>,
	Li Zhong <zhong@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung.kim@....com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@...driver.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@...aro.org>,
	Mats Liljegren <mats.liljegren@...a.com>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] 3.9-rc1-nohz1

2013/3/11 Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>:
>
> * Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com> wrote:
>
>> >  - Please outline how the current TODO entries affect upstream
>> >    mergability. Does it reduce the 'full'-ness of this dynticks mode?
>> >    Outright buggy behavior? Other trade-offs?
>>
>> Mostly this is about upstream features that won't be working with the current
>> state of the art: enqueuing a posix cpu timer on a nohz CPU may result in it being
>> ignored by the target due to the lack of ticking until expiration, perf events may
>> not be round-robined, etc... I'll make sure to document all these items.
>
> So it's "buggy behavior of existing features" it appears?

Right.

> It would be really useful to add some sort of 'make it safe easily' mechanism:
>
>  - if a posix timer is enqueued on a CPU, then the CPU should have a timer ticking
>
>  - if perf events are active on a CPU, then it should have a timer ticking
>
> this would make it mergable, as most of the time systems don't have any of these
> facilities active. Plus this dynticks-off mechanism would also allow us to cover any
> other (still unknown) facility that regresses. So it would be nice to have that
> option.

Yeah that's how I intended to solve the issue for these cases. I don't
worry that much about posix cpu timers and perf in fact. These should
be not hard to cope with. I'm more worried about scheduler details in
scheduler_tick().

I covered the rq clock and a part of update_cpu_load_active().

Now we have yet to care about sched_avg_update(),
calc_load_account_active() and sched_class::task_tick() to make sure
we are not letting something behind. There is rq->rt_avg that seem to
be used for load balancing when rt tasks are around. Then
calc_load_update. Idle load balancing is concerned as well. I haven't
looked deeply into these places so I don't know what can be shortcut
or not there.

> Later on we could gradually eliminate these limitations. It would also be apparent
> where they are, just from grepping the source.
>
> If that's done, and if it tests fine for a few weeks then this could be v3.10
> material IMO.

Ok, I won't be that optimistic about the release time but things are
certainly going to be faster now. I'm going to reshape and send you
what I have now then we'll have a fresher view of the rest.
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