Date:	Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:28:36 -0700
From:	Michel Lespinasse <walken@...gle.com>
To:	Peter Hurley <peter@...leysoftware.com>
Cc:	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@...e.cz>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@...il.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@...utronix.de>,
	Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@...aro.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-serial@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/44] ldisc patchset

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Peter Hurley <peter@...leysoftware.com> wrote:
> Greg,
> This patchset includes
>   'tty: Drop lock contention stat from ldsem trylocks'
> so no need to apply that on this series. Also, I noticed you
> kept the 'tty is NULL' removal on a different branch so I left
> my patch in this series that removes it.
>
> This series applies cleanly to tty-next.
>
> v5 changes:
>
> After completing an audit of the recursive use of ldisc
> references, I discovered the _blocking_ recursive acquisition
> of ldisc references was limited to line disciplines misusing
> the tty_perform_flush() function.
> With that now resolved in,
>   'tty: Fix recursive deadlock in tty_perform_flush()'
> the recursion design in ldsem has been removed.
>
> The recursion removal is in its own patch,
>   'tty: Remove ldsem recursion support'
> to ease review for those that have already reviewed the
> ldsem implementation.
>
> In addition, this patchset implements lock stealing derived
> from the work of Michel Lespinasse <walken@...gle.com> on
> writer lock stealing in rwsem.
>
> Although the rwsem write lock stealing changes are motivated
> by performance criteria, these changes are motivated by reduced
> code line count and simplicity of design.
>
> *** Edited below to remove recursion discussion ***
>
> Back in early December I realized that a classic read/write semaphore
> with writer priority was the ideal mechanism for handling the
> line discipline referencing.
>
> Line discipline references act as "readers"; closing or changing the
> line discipline is prevented while these references are outstanding.
> Conversely, line discipline references should not be granted while
> the line discipline is closing or changing; these are the "writers".
>
> Unfortunately, the existing rwsem uses a FIFO priority for
> waiting threads and does not support timeouts.
>
> So this implements just that: a writer-priority
> read/write semaphore with timed waits.

Thanks for eliminating the recursion requirement. I think this really
helps - I didn't like that multiple readers with a colliding current
hash could basically starve out a writer forever.

Not knowing anything about the tty layer, I am curious about the
context for your other requirements. What are ldisc references taken
for and for how long are they held ? I am surprised that the writers
may hit a 5 second timeout (because I didn't expect the references to
be held for very long).

Also why the write-priority requirement rather than reader-writer
fairness ? Is it to make it less likely to hit the writer timeouts ?

In short: I am worried about the introduciton of a new lock type, and
would be happier if rwsem could be made to fit. BTW, extending rwsem
itself to add writer timeouts seems quite doable (but making it work
as a write priority lock would seem like a bad idea).

-- 
Michel "Walken" Lespinasse
A program is never fully debugged until the last user dies.
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