Message-ID: <1363660844.24132.452.camel@bling.home>
Date:	Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:40:44 -0600
From:	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>
To:	Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@...abs.ru>
Cc:	David Gibson <david@...son.dropbear.id.au>,
	Joerg Roedel <joerg.roedel@....com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] iommu: making IOMMU sysfs nodes API public

On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 14:53 +1100, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote:
> On 20/02/13 15:33, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 15:20 +1100, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote:
> >> On 20/02/13 14:47, Alex Williamson wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 13:31 +1100, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote:
> >>>> On 20/02/13 07:11, Alex Williamson wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 18:38 +1100, David Gibson wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:24:00PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 17:15 +1100, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 13/02/13 04:15, Alex Williamson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 01:42 +1100, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/13 16:07, Alex Williamson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2013-02-12 at 15:06 +1100, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Having this patch in a tree, adding new nodes in sysfs
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for IOMMU groups is going to be easier.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The first candidate for this change is a "dma-window-size"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> property which tells a size of a DMA window of the specific
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IOMMU group which can be used later for locked pages accounting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm still churning on this one; I'm nervous this would basically creat
> >>>>>>>>>>> a /proc free-for-all under /sys/kernel/iommu_group/$GROUP/ where any
> >>>>>>>>>>> iommu driver can add random attributes.  That can get ugly for
> >>>>>>>>>>> userspace.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Is not it exactly what sysfs is for (unlike /proc)? :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Um, I hope it's a little more thought out than /proc.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, for the application of userspace knowing how much
> >>>>>>>>>>> memory to lock for vfio use of a group, it's an appealing location to
> >>>>>>>>>>> get that information.  Something like libvirt would already be poking
> >>>>>>>>>>> around here to figure out which devices to bind.  Page limits need to be
> >>>>>>>>>>> setup prior to use through vfio, so sysfs is more convenient than
> >>>>>>>>>>> through vfio ioctls.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> True. DMA window properties do not change since boot so sysfs is the right
> >>>>>>>>>> place to expose them.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> But then is dma-window-size just a vfio requirement leaking over into
> >>>>>>>>>>> iommu groups?  Can we allow iommu driver based attributes without giving
> >>>>>>>>>>> up control of the namespace?  Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Who are you asking these questions? :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Anyone, including you.  Rather than dropping misc files in sysfs to
> >>>>>>>>> describe things about the group, I think the better solution in your
> >>>>>>>>> case might be a link from the group to an existing sysfs directory
> >>>>>>>>> describing the PE.  I believe your PE is rooted in a PCI bridge, so that
> >>>>>>>>> presumably already has a representation in sysfs.  Can the aperture size
> >>>>>>>>> be determined from something in sysfs for that bridge already?  I'm just
> >>>>>>>>> not ready to create a grab bag of sysfs entries for a group yet.
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> At the moment there is no information neither in sysfs nor
> >>>>>>>> /proc/device-tree about the dma-window. And adding a sysfs entry per PE
> >>>>>>>> (powerpc partitionable end-point which is often a PHB but not always) just
> >>>>>>>> for VFIO is quite heavy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How do you learn the window size and PE extents in the host kernel?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We could add a ppc64 subfolder under /sys/kernel/iommu/xxx/ and put the
> >>>>>>>> "dma-window" property there. And replace it with a symlink when and if we
> >>>>>>>> add something for PE later. Would work?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fwiw, I'd suggest a subfolder named for the type of IOMMU, rather than
> >>>>>> "ppc64".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To be clear, you're suggesting /sys/kernel/iommu_groups/$GROUP/xxx/,
> >>>>>>> right?  A subfolder really only limits the scope of the mess, so it's
> >>>>>>> not much improvement.  What does the interface look like to make those
> >>>>>>> subfolders?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The problem we're trying to solve is this call flow:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> containerfd = open("/dev/vfio/vfio");
> >>>>>>> ioctl(containerfd, VFIO_GET_API_VERSION);
> >>>>>>> ioctl(containerfd, VFIO_CHECK_EXTENSION, ...);
> >>>>>>> groupfd = open("/dev/vfio/$GROUP");
> >>>>>>> ioctl(groupfd, VFIO_GROUP_GET_STATUS);
> >>>>>>> ioctl(groupfd, VFIO_GROUP_SET_CONTAINER, &containerfd);
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You wanted to lock all the memory for the DMA window here, before we can
> >>>>>>> call VFIO_IOMMU_GET_INFO, but does it need to happen there?  We still
> >>>>>>> have a MAP_DMA hook.  We could do it all on the first mapping.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> MAP_DMA isn't quite enough, since the guest can also directly cause
> >>>>>> mappings using hypercalls directly implemented in KVM.  I think it
> >>>>>> would be feasible to lock on the first mapping (either via MAP_DMA, or
> >>>>>> H_PUT_TCE) though it would be a bit ugly and require that the first
> >>>>>> H_PUT_TCE always bounce out to virtual mode (Alexey, correct me if I'm
> >>>>>> wrong here).  IIRC there is also a call to bind the vfio container to
> >>>>>> a (qemu assigned) LIOBN, before the guest can use H_PUT_TCE directly,
> >>>>>> so that might be another place we could do the lock.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Somehow hypercall mappings have to be gated by the userspace setup,
> >>>>> right?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a KVM ioctl (and a KVM capability) which hooks LIOBN (PCI bus ID)
> >>>> with IOMMU ID. It basically creates an entry in the list of all LIOBNs and
> >>>> when TCE call occurs, the host finds correct IOMMU group to pass this call to.
> >>>>
> >>>> It happens from spapr_register_vfio_container() in QEMU, i.e. after getting
> >>>> DMA window properties but only if the host supports real mode TCE handling.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>     It also
> >>>>>>> has a flags field that could augment the behavior to trigger page
> >>>>>>> locking.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't see how the flags help us - we can't have userspace choose to
> >>>>>> skip the locked memory accounting.  Or are you suggesting a flag to
> >>>>>> open the container in some sort of dummy mode where only GET_INFO is
> >>>>>> possible, then re-open with the full locking?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sort of, I don't think it needs to be re-opened, but we had previously
> >>>>> talked about some kind of enable and disable ioctl.  "enable" would be
> >>>>> the logical place to lock pages, but then we probably got stuck in
> >>>>> questions around what it means to enable an iommu generically.
> >>>>
> >>>> The other question is if a container is ready to work if I add just one
> >>>> group? What happens when I add another one (not supported on ppc64 but
> >>>> still)?
> >>>
> >>> This is also the problem with exposing a dma window under the group in
> >>> sysfs.  Do I require the ability to lock the sum of the window, the
> >>> largest window, what?  If we rely on the ioctls, userspace can figure
> >>> out that they can't be combined and know it's the sum.  I'm not sure
> >>> what your plans are around hotplug of a PHB though.
> >>>
> >>>> Having "enable" method and disabling new attachments when it is
> >>>> "enabled" would keep my brain calm :)
> >>>
> >>> Now I'm not sure whether you're for or against it ;)
> >>
> >>
> >> I am for introducing enable() ioctls :) Or even "lock" ioctl.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> So what
> >>>>> if instead of a separate enable ioctl we had a flag on DMA_MAP that was
> >>>>> defined as SET_WINDOW where iova and size are passed and specify the
> >>>>> portion of the DMA window that userspace intends to use and which is
> >>>>> therefore locked.  If you don't support subwindows, fine, just fail it.
> >>>>> You could have a matching PUT_WINDOW on DMA_UNMAP if you wanted.
> >>>>
> >>>> DMA_MAP which does not do "map" but does "lock" or "set window"?
> >>>> enable()/disable() look better.
> >>>
> >>> Sure, this is why we have a modular iommu interface, spapr can create an
> >>> enable ioctl if necessary.  I think there are ways to use the
> >>> DMA_MAP/UNMAP ioctl in ways that aren't a complete kludge though.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>     Adding the window size to sysfs seems more readily convenient,
> >>>>>>> but is it so hard for userspace to open the files and call a couple
> >>>>>>> ioctls to get far enough to call IOMMU_GET_INFO?  I'm unconvinced the
> >>>>>>> clutter in sysfs more than just a quick fix.  Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And finally, as Alexey points out, isn't the point here so we know how
> >>>>>> much rlimit to give qemu?  Using ioctls we'd need a special tool just
> >>>>>> to check the dma window sizes, which seems a bit hideous.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is it more hideous that using iommu groups to report a vfio imposed
> >>>>> restriction?  Are a couple open files and a handful of ioctls worse than
> >>>>> code to parse directory entries and the future maintenance of an
> >>>>> unrestricted grab bag of sysfs entries?
> >>>>
> >>>> At the moment DMA32 window properties are static. So I can easily get rid
> >>>> of VFIO_IOMMU_SPAPR_TCE_GET_INFO and be happy.
> >>>
> >>> Like, for instance, every PE always gets 512MB DMA window, fixed base
> >>> address, not configurable, end of story?
> >>
> >>
> >> Almost :) 1GB, starting at 0 (sometime at 2GB). Multiple PCI domains are
> >> supported on ppc64 so it does not make a problem as bus address spaces are
> >> separated. But yes, not flexible at all.
> >
> > Statements like "at the moment...", "[but] sometimes at..." make me
> > think it's best to keep the GET_INFO call.
> >
> >>>> Ah, anyway, how do you see these ioctls to work on a user machine?
> >>>> A separate tool which takes an iommu id, returns DMA window size and
> >>>> adjusts rlimit?
> >>>
> >>> Sure, we need something that provides the function of libvirt and
> >>> unbinds devices from host drivers, re-binds them to vfio-pci.  That tool
> >>> needs to have permissions to manipulate groups, so we're just talking
> >>> about whether it's stepping over the line for it to open the group and a
> >>> container, associate them, and probe the iommu info vs reading a sysfs
> >>> file.  Thanks,
> >>
> >> So the Tool is going to be a part of libvirt but not kernel or qemu, right?
> >> Then implementing "LOCK" (and call it after GET_INFO in QEMU and not call
> >> it from the Tool) should work fine.
> >
> > Right, a probe tool would check the value, close the files and set the
> > locked page limit for qemu, which would take the next step to trigger
> > the in-kernel accounting.  Thanks,
> 
> Continuing the discussion :)
> In meanwhile I added/tested VFIO_IOMMU_ENABLE and VFIO_IOMMU_DISABLE like 
> that (will repost the patch later, may be this week, only few changes there):
> 
> 
> +       case VFIO_IOMMU_ENABLE: {
> +               mutex_lock(&container->lock);
> +               ret = tce_iommu_enable(container);
> +               mutex_unlock(&container->lock);
> +
> +               return ret;
> +       }
> +       case VFIO_IOMMU_DISABLE: {
> +               mutex_lock(&container->lock);
> +               tce_iommu_disable(container);
> +               mutex_unlock(&container->lock);
> +
> +               return 0;
> +       }
> 
> and defined them as (not arch specific):
> 
> +/* IOCTLs to enable/disable IOMMU container usage */
> +#define VFIO_IOMMU_ENABLE      _IO(VFIO_TYPE, VFIO_BASE + 15)
> +#define VFIO_IOMMU_DISABLE     _IO(VFIO_TYPE, VFIO_BASE + 16)
> 
> 
> should be ok, right?

Seems fine.  Can you envision any parameters to either of these in the
future?  Be sure to document in the header and maybe add a SPAPR section
to Documentation/vfio.txt making note of the call flow for this IOMMU
backend.

> There is another question. It is possible to compile
> vfio_iommu_spapr_tce as a module. How/when is it supposed to be loaded?
> A user may not want to do "modprobe vfio_iommu_spapr_tce" manually.

See the request_module() call in drivers/vfio/vfio.c.  I'd think you'd
just add another for vfio_iommu_spapr_tce.  Thanks,

Alex

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