linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 01/12] Security: Add CAP_COMPROMISE

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Date:	Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:04:41 -0400
From:	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com>
To:	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>
Cc:	Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett@...ula.com>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org" 
	<linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-efi@...r.kernel.org" <linux-efi@...r.kernel.org>,
	"kexec@...ts.infradead.org" <kexec@...ts.infradead.org>,
	"linux-pci@...r.kernel.org" <linux-pci@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/12] Security: Add CAP_COMPROMISE_KERNEL

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:58:23AM -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Vivek Goyal (vgoyal@...hat.com):
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:37:25AM -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > Quoting Vivek Goyal (vgoyal@...hat.com):
> > > ...
> > > > Giving CAP_MODIFY_KERNEL to processess upon signature verification
> > > > will simplify things a bit.
> > > > 
> > > > Only thing is that signature verification alone is not sufficient. We
> > > > also need to make sure after signature verification executable can
> > > > not be modified in memory in any way. So that means atleast couple of
> > > > things.
> > > 
> > > Also what about context?  If I construct a mounts namespace a certain
> > > way, can I trick this executable into loading an old singed bzImage that
> > > I had laying around?
> > 
> > We were thinking that /sbin/kexec will need to verify bzImage signature
> > before loading it. 
> > 
> > Key for verification is in kernel so idea was to take kernel's help
> > in verifying signature.
> > 
> > Not sure how exactly the interface should look like. 
> > 
> > - I was thinking may be process can mmap() the bzImage with MAP_LOCKED.
> >   We can create additional flag say MAP_VERIFY_SIG_POST, which tries
> >   to verify signature/integrity of mapped region of file after mapping and
> >   locking pages and mmap() fails if signature verification fails.
> > 
> > There have been suggestions about creating new system call altogether.
> > 
> > > 
> > > ISTM the only sane thing to do, if you're going down this road,
> > > is to have CAP_MODIFIY_KERNEL pulled from bounding set for everyone
> > > except a getty started by init on ttyS0.  Then log in on serial
> > > to update.  Or run a damon with CAP_MODIFIY_KERNEL which listens
> > > to a init_net_ns netlink socket for very basic instructions, like
> > > "find and install latest signed bzImage in /boot".  Then you can
> > > at least trust that /boot for that daemon is not faked.
> > 
> > daemon does not have the key and can't verify signature of signed
> > bzImage. Even if it had the key, it can't trust the crypto code for
> > signature verification as none of that is signed.
> 
> I'm not saying not to use the kernel to verify the signature.

Ok. So why can't /sbin/kexec can do the verification of bzImage with
kernel's help. Due to crafted /boot/ it might load old signed bzImage,
but it can't load unsigned/untrusted code on secureboot system at ring 0.

I am hoping I did not miss your point entirely.

Thanks
Vivek
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