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Message-ID: <519DC926.4000106@redhat.com>
Date:	Thu, 23 May 2013 09:45:42 +0200
From:	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>
To:	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>
CC:	"James E.J. Bottomley" <JBottomley@...allels.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PING^7 (was Re: [PATCH v2 00/14] Corrections and customization
 of the SG_IO command whitelist (CVE-2012-4542))

Il 23/05/2013 00:17, Tejun Heo ha scritto:
> Then let's make it fit the use case better.  I really can't see much
> point in crafting the cdb filter when you basically have to entrust
> the device to the user anyway.  Let's either trust the user with the
> device or not.  I'm very doubtful that the filtered access via SG_IO
> can be reliable or secure enough.  Let's please avoid extending a
> broken thing.

Sorry to say that, but "I'm very doubtful that..." is just conspiracy
theory.

It is not broken.  I'm not _that_ clueless, if it were broken I wouldn't
have had users use it in production.

> One more thing, is it really necessary to have finer granularity than
> provided by file permissions?  What would be the use case?  Do you
> expect to have multiple - two - differing levels of access with and
> without SG_IO?

No, I don't.  I want four levels:

1) no access;

2) read-only access;

3) read-write whitelisted access;

4) generic access;

but it's indeed fine to assume that 3 and 4 will never be given together
to the same disk.  The important point is that 2 and 3 should not
require any privileges except for opening the file.

With the opt-out knob, you still need a long-lived privileged process in
order to set the knob back to "no access", and that's undesirable.
Long-lived privileged processes can be SIGKILLed and leave things open
for misuse; instead, if I need something privileged I want to confine it
to a helper that opens the file and passes back the file descriptor.

> for the same user, it's pointless to give out SG_IO access to
> processes while denying for other processes.  As long as ptrace can
> be attached, hijacking such fd is easy. Making it per-device should
> be suitable enough, no?

Yes, and that's what I did.  Such hijacking is why a kernel whitelist is
necessary in untrusted cases (i.e. you cannot just implement it in
userspace).

>> There are many use cases, I listed some in my reply to Martin.
>> Sometimes you have trust over the guest and can use count-me-out.  But
>> in some cases you don't, and yet the current whitelist is not enough
>> (e.g. tapes).
> 
> Can you elaborate?  Why can't a tape device be entrusted to the user?

In general, any device may or may not be entrusted to the user.  In this
respect, tapes or disks have no difference.

But while the current whitelist is almost okay for disks, it is not
usable for tapes.  Too many essential commands are missing; this is why
extending the whitelist to cover other device types is important for me.
 And since you don't want to open new commands to all classes with no
distinction (which I understand), the only choice is per-class whitelists.

Paolo
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