linux-kernel - Re: [PATCHv12 3/4] zswap: add to mm/

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Message-Id: <20130529141630.8f2d1aa9b16d05e60e4a7ada@linux-foundation.org>
Date:	Wed, 29 May 2013 14:16:30 -0700
From:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Seth Jennings <sjenning@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Nitin Gupta <ngupta@...are.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@...cle.com>,
	Robert Jennings <rcj@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jenifer Hopper <jhopper@...ibm.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>,
	Johannes Weiner <jweiner@...hat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Larry Woodman <lwoodman@...hat.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
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	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@....com>,
	Cody P Schafer <cody@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Hugh Dickens <hughd@...gle.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	Heesub Shin <heesub.shin@...sung.com>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, devel@...verdev.osuosl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv12 3/4] zswap: add to mm/

On Wed, 29 May 2013 16:08:20 -0500 Seth Jennings <sjenning@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:57:47PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 May 2013 14:50:27 -0500 Seth Jennings <sjenning@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:29:29AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 29 May 2013 09:57:20 -0500 Seth Jennings <sjenning@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > > +/*********************************
> > > > > > > +* helpers
> > > > > > > +**********************************/
> > > > > > > +static inline bool zswap_is_full(void)
> > > > > > > +{
> > > > > > > +	return (totalram_pages * zswap_max_pool_percent / 100 <
> > > > > > > +		zswap_pool_pages);
> > > > > > > +}
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > We have had issues in the past where percentage-based tunables were too
> > > > > > coarse on very large machines.  For example, a terabyte machine where 0
> > > > > > bytes is too small and 10GB is too large.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, this is known limitation of the code right now and it is a high priority
> > > > > to come up with something better.  It isn't clear what dynamic sizing policy
> > > > > should be used so, until such time as that policy can be determined, this is a
> > > > > simple stop-gap that works well enough for simple setups.
> > > > 
> > > > It's a module parameter and hence is part of the userspace interface. 
> > > > It's undesirable that the interface be changed, and it would be rather
> > > > dumb to merge it as-is when we *know* that it will be changed.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think we can remove the parameter altogether (or can we?), so I
> > > > suggest we finalise it ASAP.  Perhaps rename it to
> > > > zswap_max_pool_ratio, with a range 1..999999.  Better ideas needed :(
> > > 
> > > zswap_max_pool_ratio is fine with me.  I'm not entirely clear on the change
> > > though.  Would that just be a name change or a change in meaning?
> > 
> > It would be a change in behaviour.  The problem which I'm suggesting we
> > address is that a 1% increment is too coarse.
> 
> Sorry, but I'm not getting this.  This zswap_max_pool_ratio is a ratio of what
> to what?  Maybe if you wrote out the calculation of the max pool size using
> this ratio I'll get it.
> 

This:

	totalram_pages * zswap_max_pool_percent / 100

means that we have are able to control the pool size in 10GB increments
on a 1TB machine.  Past experience with other tunables tells us that
this can be a problem.  Hence my (lame) suggestion that we replace it
with

	totalram_pages * zswap_max_pool_ratio / 1000000


Another approach would be to stop using a ratio altogether, and make the
tunable specify an absolute number of bytes.  That's how we approached
this problem in the case of /proc/sys/vm/dirty_background_ratio.  See
https://lkml.org/lkml/2008/11/23/160.

(And it's "bytes", not "pages" because PAGE_SIZE can vary by a factor
of 16, which is a lot). 
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