linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] pinctrl: establish pull-up/pull-down terminology

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Message-ID: <3185376.o7RqphCDfQ@avalon>
Date:	Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:30:18 +0200
From:	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>
To:	Stephen Warren <swarren@...dotorg.org>
Cc:	James Hogan <james.hogan@...tec.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...ricsson.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@...dia.com>,
	� <heiko@...ech.de>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org>,
	Anmar Oueja <anmar.oueja@...aro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pinctrl: establish pull-up/pull-down terminology

Hi Stephen,

On Friday 21 June 2013 13:06:47 Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 06/20/2013 06:38 AM, James Hogan wrote:
> > On 19/06/13 23:03, Stephen Warren wrote:
> >> On 06/16/2013 04:45 AM, Linus Walleij wrote:
> >>> From: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org>
> >>> 
> >>> It is counter-intuitive to have "0" mean disable in a boolean
> >>> manner for electronic properties of pins such as pull-up and
> >>> pull-down. Therefore, define that a pull-up/pull-down argument
> >>> of 0 to such a generic option means that the pin is
> >>> short-circuited to VDD or GROUND. Pull disablement shall be
> >>> done using PIN_CONFIG_BIAS_DISABLE.
> >>> 
> >>> Cc: Heiko St�bner <heiko@...ech.de>
> >>> Cc: James Hogan <james.hogan@...tec.com>
> >>> Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org>
> >>> ---
> >>> 
> >>>  include/linux/pinctrl/pinconf-generic.h | 13 +++++++------
> >>>  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> >>> 
> >>> diff --git a/include/linux/pinctrl/pinconf-generic.h
> >>> b/include/linux/pinctrl/pinconf-generic.h index d414a77..67780f5 100644
> >>> --- a/include/linux/pinctrl/pinconf-generic.h
> >>> +++ b/include/linux/pinctrl/pinconf-generic.h
> >>> @@ -36,14 +36,15 @@
> >>> 
> >>>   *	tristate. The argument is ignored.
> >>>   * @PIN_CONFIG_BIAS_PULL_UP: the pin will be pulled up (usually with
> >>>   high
> >>>   *	impedance to VDD). If the argument is != 0 pull-up is enabled,
> >>> 
> >>> - *	if it is 0, pull-up is disabled.
> >>> + *	if it is 0, pull-up it total, i.e. the pin is connected to VDD.
> >>> 
> >>>   * @PIN_CONFIG_BIAS_PULL_DOWN: the pin will be pulled down (usually
> >>>   with high *	impedance to GROUND). If the argument is != 0 pull-down
> >>>   is enabled,>>> 
> >>> - *	if it is 0, pull-down is disabled.
> >>> + *	if it is 0, pull-down is total, i.e. the pin is connected to GROUND.
> >>> 
> >>>   * @PIN_CONFIG_BIAS_PULL_PIN_DEFAULT: the pin will be pulled up or down
> >>>   based *	on embedded knowledge of the controller, like current mux
> >>>   function.>>> 
> >>> - *	If the argument is != 0 pull up/down is enabled, if it is 0,
> >>> - *	the pull is disabled.
> >>> + *	If the argument is != 0 pull up/down is enabled, if it is 0, the
> >>> + *	configuration is ignored. The proper way to disable it is to use
> >>> + *	@PIN_CONFIG_BIAS_DISABLE.
> >> 
> >> Why treat PULL_UP/PULL_DOWN differently from PULL_PIN_DEFAULT?
> >> PULL_PIN_DEFAULT is logically simply a macro that selects PULL_UP/DOWN
> >> based on what's "normal" for the pin's expected usage, so surely the
> >> value associated with that option should behave identically?
> > 
> > I'm not familiar with hardware that does this so I could be way wrong
> > here, but presumably if there's a default up/down, there's probably a
> > default resistance too. Does it really make sense to say
> > "pull up or down depending on whatever the pin is intended for... but
> > whichever it is must be XXX Ohm"?
> > If you know the resistance you want, you surely already know whether you
> > want it pull up or down with that resistence.
> 
> IIRC the idea of the PULL_PIN_DEFAULT was to avoid having to specify
> UP/DOWN for each pin/group, but could just say "default", which would
> then reduce the number of pinctrl mapping table entries or pinctrl DT
> property entries.

I may be mistaken, but I've understood the PULL_PIN_DEFAULT option as a way to 
select the default bias configuration when the default value is hardware-
controlled, not as a pure software option.

> I don't think this would have any interaction with setting the resistance;
> it's entirely plausible that you'd want the same explicit, or same default,
> resistance, for all pins, irrespective of pull-up vs. down.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

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