linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] spinlock: New spinlock_refcount.h for lockless update of refcount

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Message-ID: <20130626212221.GI6123@two.firstfloor.org>
Date:	Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:22:21 +0200
From:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>
To:	Waiman Long <waiman.long@...com>
Cc:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@...hat.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@...e.cz>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	"Chandramouleeswaran, Aswin" <aswin@...com>,
	"Norton, Scott J" <scott.norton@...com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] spinlock: New spinlock_refcount.h for lockless
 update of refcount

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 05:07:02PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote:
> On 06/26/2013 04:17 PM, Andi Kleen wrote:
> >>+ * The combined data structure is 8-byte aligned. So proper placement of this
> >>+ * structure in the larger embedding data structure is needed to ensure that
> >>+ * there is no hole in it.
> >On i386 u64 is only 4 bytes aligned. So you need to explicitely align
> >it to 8 bytes. Otherwise you risk the two members crossing a cache line, which
> >would be really expensive with atomics.
> 
> Do you mean the original i386 or the i586 that are now used by most
> distribution now? If it is the former, I recall that i386 is now no
> longer supported.

I mean i386, as in the 32bit x86 architecture.

> 
> I also look around some existing codes that use cmpxchg64. It
> doesn't seem like they use explicit alignment. I will need more
> investigation to see if it is a real problem.

Adding the alignment is basically free. If 32bit users don't enforce
it they're likely potentially broken yes, but they may be lucky.
> >>+	get_lock = ((threshold>= 0)&&  (old.count == threshold));
> >>+	if (likely(!get_lock&&  spin_can_lock(&old.lock))) {
> >What is that for? Why can't you do the CMPXCHG unconditially ?
> 
> An unconditional CMPXCHG can be as bad as acquiring the spinlock. So
> we need to check the conditions are ready before doing an actual
> CMPXCHG.

But this isn't a cheap check. Especially spin_unlock_wait can be 
very expensive.

And all these functions have weird semantics. Perhaps just a quick
spin_is_locked.

> 
> Looking from the other perspective, we may want the locking code to
> have the same behavior whether spinlock debugging is enabled or not.
> Disabling the optimization will cause the code path to differ which
> may not be what we want. Of course, I can change it if other people
> also think it is the right way to do it.

Lock debugging already has quite different timing/lock semantics.

-Andi
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