linux-kernel - Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review

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Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:36:21 -0400
From:	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@...il.com>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@...il.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org> wrote:
>>
>> * Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I tend to hold things off after -rc4 because you scare me more than Greg
>>> > does ;-)
>>>
>>> Have you guys *seen* Greg? The guy is a freakish giant. He *should*
>>> scare you. He might squish you without ever even noticing.
>>
>> Greg might be a giant and he might squish people without ever even
>> noticing, but that's just a grave, deadly physical threat no real kernel
>> hacker ever feels threatened by. (Not much can hurt us deep in our dark
>> basements after all, except maybe earthquakes, gamma ray eruptions and Mom
>> trying to clean up around the computers.)
>>
>> So Greg, if you want it all to change, create some _real_ threat: be frank
>> with contributors and sometimes swear a bit. That will cut your mailqueue
>> in half, promise!
>
> I don't think it's that simple.  The problem here isn't that Greg is
> being too nice.  The problem is that people are holding back fixes
> from Linus' tree.  Greg might be able to yell at maintainers more, but
> if he does it's after the fact and it's sort of a too late situation.
> Those fixes should probably get in the tree because they should
> probably have been in the .0 release to begin with.  I don't envy Greg
> here.
>
> I know... let's push this off onto linux-next. It isn't like Stephen
> has anything better to do anyway ;).
>
> More seriously though, those -stable fixes queued up for months show

Er.. probably should have said weeks or "a while" or something, not months.

> up there first.  Perhaps if we watch the trees feeding into linux-next
> for a bit for fixes tagged with -stable in the middle -rc windows, we
> can prod maintainers more.
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