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Message-ID: <51E038AC.6060107@zytor.com>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:11:08 -0700
From:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, torvalds@...ux-foundation.org,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, stable@...r.kernel.org,
	ksummit-2013-discuss@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] When to push bug fixes to mainline

On 07/11/2013 05:50 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> 
> At least at one point in the past...
> 

And at at least one *other* point in the past, Linus stated that
"holding back anything with a Cc: stable waiting for the merge window is
wrong".  This would imply that the post-rc5-or-so policy and the stable
policy are effectively the same.

Now, "policy" is a big word, and Linus and the maintainers generally
have exercised discretion here and I would think that a lot of it really
depends on the trust relationship between Linus and maintainer, or
between maintainer and submaintainer.  I generally try to flag to Linus
when I push something that he may consider questionable, and I very
rarely get

> Maybe the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of holding back
> changes and trying to avoid the risk of introducing regressions;
> perhaps this would be a good topic to discuss at the Kernel Summit.

I think it would, to the extent such a policy is needed and workable.  I
think there is a serious risk in getting to hung up on policy.

	-hpa

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