linux-kernel - Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review

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Message-ID: <8738rf14zl.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
Date:	Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:22:14 +0930
From:	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>
To:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>
Cc:	Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> writes:
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Willy Tarreau <w@....eu> wrote:
>>
>> BTW, I was amazed that you managed to get him have a much softer tone inr
>> his last e-mail, you probably found a weakness here in his management
>> process :-)
>
> Hey, I _like_ arguing, and "cursing" and "arguing" are actually not at
> all the same thing.
>
> And I really don't tend to curse unless people are doing something
> stupid and annoying. If people have concerns and questions that I feel
> are valid, I'm more than happy to talk about it.
>
> I curse when there isn't any argument. The cursing happens for the
> "you're so f*cking wrong that it's not even worth trying to make
> logical arguments about it, because you have no possible excuse" case.
>
> .. and sometimes people surprise me and come back with a valid excuse
> after all. "My whole family died in a tragic freak accident and my
> pony got cancer, and I was distracted".
>
> And then I might even tell them I'm sorry.
>
> No. Not really.

You have to be harsh with code: People mistake politeness for
uncertainty.  Whenever I said 'I prefer if you XYZ' some proportion
didn't realize I meant 'Don't argue unless you have new facts: do XYZ or
go away.'  This wastes my time, so I started being explicit.

But be gentle with people.  You've already called their baby ugly.

Cheers,
Rusty.
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