linux-kernel - Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review)

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Message-ID: <20130716211235.GG4994@xanatos>
Date:	Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:12:35 -0700
From:	Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>
To:	Olivier Galibert <galibert@...ox.com>
Cc:	David Lang <david@...g.hm>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>,
	ksummit-2013-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org,
	Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>
Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review)

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:14:51AM +0200, Olivier Galibert wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:32 AM, David Lang <david@...g.hm> wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Sarah Sharp wrote:
> >
> >> The people who want to work together in a civil manner should get
> >> together and create a "Kernel maintainer's code of conduct" that
> >> outlines what they expect from fellow kernel developers.  The people who
> >> want to continue acting "unprofessionally" should document what
> >> behaviors set off their cursing streaks, so that others can avoid that
> >> behavior.  Somewhere in the middle is the community behavior all
> >> developers can thrive in.
> >
> >
> > By defining your viewpoint as being "professional" and the other viewpoint
> > as being "unprofessional" you have already started using very loaded terms
> > and greatly reduces the probability of actually getting the other group to
> > agree and participate.
> 
> Especially since you can very easily translate these terms into
> "American" and "non-American".
> 
> The stereotypical american professionalism attitude is to be polite at
> the word choice level the best to hide a profund disrespect under
> them.  There's no meaning taken into account, it's just keyword
> spotting.  "Your code is crap" is considered unprofessional, while
> "Let's leverage my fifth grade nephew's capabilities to assist you in
> fixing the code" is perfectly professional, somehow.  That's more
> often than not an unacceptable attitude in europe.

I *hate* both direct personal insults and indirect personal insults.
Neither should be acceptable in our community.

As I stated in an email to Rusty, what I'm objecting to here is not
kernel developers criticizing code.  I'm objecting to personal attacks,
and developers directing personal verbal abuse towards each other.  This
include all developers, not just Linus.

Sarah Sharp
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