linux-kernel - Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review)

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Message-ID: <20130716131446.373ec08b@notabene.brown>
Date:	Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:14:46 +1000
From:	NeilBrown <neilb@...e.de>
To:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
Cc:	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>,
	ksummit-2013-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org,
	Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>
Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable
 review)

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:17:30 -0400 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 16:15 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> >  
> > One thing you should keep in mind in your discussion is what can happen
> > if people get too polite with each other.
> > 
> > I have seen this happen at two large companies I worked for. Early on, flames
> > are acceptable and expected as response to someone publishing bad code which
> > breaks everything for everyone. Then, at some point, it is not acceptable
> > anymore to flame, and one is expected to be polite and friendly at all times.
> > "Your code breaks the build for every platform. Would you please kindly
> > consider fixing it ?"
> > Result is that code quality suffers, to the point where images don't even
> > build anymore.
> > 
> > I hope the Linux kernel never gets into that stage. To avoid that,
> > I am willing to be cursed at by Linus if I am the responsible party.
> 
> Didn't Jim Zemlin show some research where there were two groups:
> 
>  One that did a bunch of brain storming where no idea was a bad idea
> 
>  The other required you to defend your idea while the others bashed it.
> 
> The results always showed that the second group not only did a better
> job, but also faster and more efficient.
> 
> I'm afraid if we worry too much about politeness, we will fall into that
> first group.
> 

Surely there is an enormous difference between being required to defend your
position against rational and forceful argument, and being required to defend
it against irrelevant name calling.

NeilBrown

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