linux-kernel - Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review

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Message-ID: <878v16yp57.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
Date:	Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:32:44 +0930
From:	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>
To:	Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:	Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@...hat.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review

Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com> writes:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 02:22:14PM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> Linus is complaining about code here, and the effects of merging bad
> code on his own tree.  I personally have no qualms with this type of
> harsh email, because it focuses on the code, not the person.
>
> I do, however, object when the verbal abuse shifts from being directed
> at code to being directed at *people*.  For example, Linus chose to
> curse at Mauro [2] and Rafael [3], rather than their code:
>
>
> "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

This one crosses the line.  There's no non-offensive way to tell a geek
"you are wrong", but this isn't even trying.  Bad Linus!

> "How long have you been a maintainer? And you *still* haven't learnt the
> first rule of kernel maintenance?"
>
> "Shut up, Mauro. And I don't _ever_ want to hear that kind of obvious
> garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again. Seriously."
>
> "The fact that you then try to make *excuses* for breaking user space,
> and blaming some external program that *used* to work, is just
> shameful. It's not how we work."
>
> "Fix your f*cking "compliance tool", because it is obviously broken.
> And fix your approach to kernel programming."
...
> ...and I'm surprised to
> hear that kind of utter garbage from you in particular."

Linus repeats 5 times: you can tell he's upset.

> "Seriously. Why do I even have to mention this? Why do I have to
> explain this to somebody pretty much *every* f*cking merge window?"

This one is OK, actually.

So, I tried to rewrite Linus' email.  And it lost the raw, red-hot anger
of the original.  It no longer makes everyone listen.  It tempts one to
argue.

It is not as effective :(

But suggesting alternate expressions might be constructive.
Rusty.
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