linux-kernel - Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review

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Message-ID: <305037674.2433057.1374120078349.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>
Date:	Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:01:18 -0400 (EDT)
From:	CAI Qian <caiqian@...hat.com>
To:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
Cc:	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review



----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@...dmis.org>
> To: "CAI Qian" <caiqian@...hat.com>
> Cc: "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@...utronix.de>, "Sarah Sharp" <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>, "Linus Torvalds"
> <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@...nel.org>, "Guenter Roeck" <linux@...ck-us.net>, "Greg
> Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>, "Dave Jones" <davej@...hat.com>, "Linux Kernel Mailing List"
> <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, "Andrew Morton" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, "stable" <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
> "Darren Hart" <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:47:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review
> 
> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 23:16 -0400, CAI Qian wrote:
> 
> > > So if you talk about abuse, then you need an abuser and a victim. So
> > > your argumentation falls flat because there is no victim.
> > Could victim be someone else in the future since it is an example that
> > people may follow?
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi_underage_prostitution_charges
> > It called "abuse of office" or abuse of the power.
> 
> Wow! You are now comparing Linus to a Prime Minister that has paid
> underage prostitutes for sex?
I apologize that this leads to misunderstanding. It was just happened to
read the news that underage child does not feel like she is a victim
either while the law still think that is an abuse. Another example, those
BBC child abusers took ages to track down that probably because those
children did not feel victims at that time either. 

Please don't get me wrong. I did neither compare Linus to those child abusers
nor Thomas to those children. I simply pointed out there is also some common
sense need to consider.
> 
> That's pretty low.
> 
> What Linus does is not an abuse of power, it's a protection of his baby.
> He created Linux, and although today he's not the one writing the code,
> he is ultimately the front man responsible for the kernel.
> 
> Think about it. If Linux does something horrible, Linus is the one that
> takes the most blame. That's a HUGE responsibility. Linus has the most
> to lose if Linux becomes crap.
> 
> Not only does Linus have to check on code, he must also dictate policy.
> Which means dealing with different people, and how they work. If someone
> gets lazy and uses his trust to get something whacky in, Linus takes the
> blame for it if that happens. Thus, to prevent people from taking
> advantage of his trust, he has to be hard on them to make sure he can
> keep their trust.
> 
> Linus takes his job seriously. He may joke and name his kernel after
> 90's operating systems, but that's just to make the job more fun. But to
> keep the job, he needs to be a hard ass.
> 
> The few times he's yelled at me, he always did it with a bit of comedy
> and wit. That makes the harsh yelling not so bad, and I actually got a
> chuckle out of it. But I also took the harsh yelling in a way that I had
> better not do that again.
> 
> This is the big leagues folks. You think major league baseball managers
> are nice to their players?
> 
> "You just walked 4 players. That's not good. Keep this up I'll have to
> take you out off the team".
> 
>   vs
> 
> "What the f*ck is wrong with you. Get you head out of your @ss and start
> throwing the ball over the God damn plate before I throw your @ss out of
> this field!"
> 
> They both relay basically the same thing. The first one is nice and
> polite but states that bad things will happen if they keep it up. The
> second is quite harsh (although never calling the person a name), and
> will probably wake the person up and change his game. Which one of those
> tones do you think successful baseball managers use?
> 
> Sometimes tone *does* matter. You want quality from the top maintainers,
> and they start to slack, you can't just treat them like this is a grade
> school sport. Results matter. You want them to understand that this is
> serious and cursing someone out gives that person that feeling.
> 
> -- Steve
> 
> 
> 
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