linux-kernel - Re: mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review)

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Message-ID: <5288295.7WB1v5y4LW@merkaba>
Date:	Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:16:38 +0200
From:	Martin Steigerwald <Martin@...htvoll.de>
To:	Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>
Cc:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review)

Am Freitag, 19. Juli 2013, 12:01:27 schrieb Sarah Sharp:
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:22:56AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com> wrote:
[…]
> "Respect" means different things to different people.  Here's a list of
> potentially disrespectful behaviors:
> 
>  * cussing
>  * belittling statements
>  * demeaning sarcasm
>  * telling someone to SHUT THE FUCK UP
>  * overuse of ALL CAPS to prove a point
>  * encouraging suicide (telling someone to go kill themselves)
>  * hysteria (inappropriate over-reaction to a bad situation)
>  * name calling (calling someone stupid, a moron, etc)
>  * insulting someone's technical skills
>  * making people feel inferior
>  * rewriting someone's code and submitting it without credit to them
>  * ...and not apologizing for these behaviors when someone proves you
>    are wrong about the situation, or over-reacting.
> 
> When these behaviors are combined with giving negative feedback on
> someone's behavior, some developers may perceive the email as a personal
> attack.  That's why I advocate minimizing these behaviors in
> communications between Linus and his lieutenants about their bad
> behavior as maintainers.

I have one note about what you wrote and I see similar wording in other mails 
as I read the thread with interest (but without having much to add to what I 
wrote in my one mail before):

Linus and his lieutenants?

I heard the word "benevolent dictator" in conjunction with Linus, dunno, 
whether he said it or someone else said it or whatnot, but still:

Is the kernel developer community a *military* organisation?

Just wanted to raise awareness to this wording.

As you pointed out repeatedly: Words make a difference.

A huge one, I think.

> Just please, let me do my job as a kernel maintainer, and please stop
> replying to this conversation.  I can only write so many long emails a
> day without it cutting into my time for writing code and debugging USB
> issues.
> 
> Move on, agree to disagree, and let's discuss this at KS.

This however is clearly *your* decision. Its is absolutely and completely your 
decision whether you reply to a mail or not. So I won´t accept any 
responsibility for that and I am fully aware that I have no power to not let 
you do your job as a kernel maintainer. :)

Thanks,
-- 
Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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