linux-kernel - Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] DT bindings as ABI [was: Do we have people interested in device tree janitoring / cleanup?]

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Message-ID: <20130729183851.GB4209@netboy>
Date:	Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:38:52 +0200
From:	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@...il.com>
To:	Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@...e-electrons.com>
Cc:	Tomasz Figa <tomasz.figa@...il.com>,
	Arend van Spriel <arend@...adcom.com>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@...om.net>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@...nel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
	"devicetree@...r.kernel.org" <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
	"ksummit-2013-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org" 
	<ksummit-2013-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@....linux.org.uk>,
	Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@...rix.com>,
	Pawel Moll <Pawel.Moll@....com>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@...dotorg.org>,
	Domenico Andreoli <cavokz@...il.com>,
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	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@...idianresearch.com>,
	Dave P Martin <Dave.Martin@....com>,
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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] DT bindings as ABI [was: Do we have
 people interested in device tree janitoring / cleanup?]

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 09:31:23AM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> 
> I'm afraid this kind of use case will never be properly supported, DT
> stable ABI or not.
> 
> Think about this: what kernel will actually be shipped in that board?
> Most likely, it will be a BSP kernel from the vendor. Does the vendor
> will have made that commitment to have a stable ABI for the DT? Will it
> use the same bindings than mainline? Do we want to support all the crazy
> bindings every vendor will come up with?
> 
> I'm afraid the answer to these three questions will most of the time be
> "no.".

Yes, I know, and it is sad but true.
 
We can't stop the vendors from shipping half-baked BSPs. I really
don't mind that they do that. After all, they want to get *something*
working when they launch their chips.

> That doesn't mean we shouldn't aim for *mainline* having a stable DT
> ABI, but that kind of use case doesn't seem very realistic to me.

Right, we can and should do better. I got the beaglebone Ethernet
working in mainline (not by writing the driver, but by complaining
over and over again). I except that it will continue to work and not
fall victim to some random DT change.

Thanks,
Richard




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