linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH part5 0/7] Arrange hotpluggable memory as ZONE

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Message-ID: <5a1b9edd-8232-498a-b94a-72e028772970@email.android.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:30:38 -0700
From:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...il.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH part5 0/7] Arrange hotpluggable memory as ZONE_MOVABLE.

There are systems which can.  They have the ability to remap in hardware.

KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...il.com> wrote:
>(8/14/13 3:55 PM), Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 03:40:31PM -0400, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>>> I don't agree it. Please look at other kernel options. A lot of
>these don't
>>> follow you. These behave as direction, not advise.
>>>
>>> I mean the fallback should be implemented at turning on default the
>feature.
>>
>> Yeah, some options are "please try this" and others "do this or
>fail".
>> There's no frigging fundamental rule there.
>
>In this case, we have zero worth for fallback, right?
>
>
>>> I don't read whole discussion and I don't quite understand why no
>kernel
>>> place controlling is relevant. Every unpluggable node is suitable
>for
>>> kernel. If you mean current kernel placement logic don't care
>plugging,
>>> that's a bug.
>>>
>>> If we aim to hot remove, we have to have either kernel relocation or
>>> hotplug awre kernel placement at boot time.
>>
>> What if all nodes are hot pluggable?  Are we moving the kernel
>> dynamically then?
>
>Intel folks already told, we have no such system in practice.
>
>
>>>> Failing to boot is *way* worse reporting mechanism than almost
>>>> everything else.  If the sysadmin is willing to risk machines
>failing
>>>> to come up, she would definitely be willing to check whether which
>>>> memory areas are actually hotpluggable too, right?
>>>
>>> No. see above. Your opinion is not pragmatic useful.
>>
>> No, what you're saying doesn't make any sense.  There are multiple
>> ways to report when something doesn't work.  Failing to boot is *one*
>> of them and not a very good one.  Here, for practical reasons, the
>end
>> result may differ depending on the specifics of the configuration, so
>> more detailed reporting is necessary anyway, so why do you insist on
>> failing the boot?  In what world is it a good thing for the machine
>to
>> fail boot after bios or kernel update?
>
>Because boot failure have no chance to overlook and better way for
>practice.

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