Message-ID: <C3050A4DBA34F345975765E43127F10F1C064357@szxeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2013 06:16:04 +0000
From:	Caizhiyong <caizhiyong@...wei.com>
To:	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@...il.com>
CC:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Karel Zak <kzak@...hat.com>,
	"linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org" <linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Wanglin (Albert)" <albert.wanglin@...wei.com>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@...il.com>,
	Shmulik Ladkani <shmulik.ladkani@...il.com>,
	Huang Shijie <b32955@...escale.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] block: add command line partition parser

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Norris [mailto:computersforpeace@...il.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 1:00 PM
> To: Caizhiyong
> Cc: Andrew Morton; Karel Zak; linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org;
> linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; Wanglin (Albert); Artem Bityutskiy; Shmulik Ladkani;
> Huang Shijie
> Subject: Re: [PATCH] block: add command line partition parser
> 
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 03:38:47AM +0000, Caizhiyong wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brian Norris [mailto:computersforpeace@...il.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:12 AM
> > > To: Andrew Morton
> > > Cc: Caizhiyong; Karel Zak; linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org;
> > > linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; Wanglin (Albert); Artem Bityutskiy; Shmulik
> Ladkani;
> > > Huang Shijie
> > > Subject: Re: [PATCH] block: add command line partition parser
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Andrew Morton
> > > <akpm@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:02:17 +0000 Caizhiyong <caizhiyong@...wei.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> move the command line parser to a separate module, and change it into
> > > >> library-style code.
> > > >>
> > > >> reference: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/6/550
> > >
> > > The most recent patch is an addendum to this linked patch then?
> > >
> > > > Well OK.  But to prove the library's usefulness and to generally clean
> > > > up the kernel, someone needs to sign up to the task of converting
> > > > drivers/mtd/cmdlinepart.c to use this code.
> > > >
> > > > I've been hopefully cc'ing various MTD people but am not being
> > > > overwhelmed with waves of enthusiasm ;)
> > >
> > > "I've been" implies that you have done so prior to this email. And
> > > "people" implies more than one person. I see that you CC'd David
> > > Woodhouse over a week ago, but he's fairly silent these days on MTD
> > > things. It's Artem or me who handle most of the day-to-day of MTD. And
> > > this is the first time I've seen this! (BTW, please include
> > > linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org for anything involving MTD.)
> > >
> > > This seems reasonable, and I'd be willing to work with this proposal.
> > >
> > > Caizhiyong, can you submit a clear single patch (or series of
> > > patches), CC'd to linux-mtd at least? Then we can see about supporting
> > > it in MTD. It doesn't look too difficult, but I need to check that it
> > > faithfully mimics the capability we currently rely on. There have been
> > > previous discussions on changing it, but this was rejected in favor of
> > > allowing more flexibility. Here's part of one such conversation:
> > >
> > > http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2012-August/043599.html
> > > http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2012-September/043825.html
> > > http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2012-December/045322.html
> > >
> > > So I would recommend:
> > > (1) consider carefully the implications of your command-line format
> > > now, rather than later
> > > (2) if you want MTD to use it, it needs to support the features we use now
> >
> > It is fully functional reference MTD, :-).
> 
> I realize that. I just want to be clear that we have to reconcile (1)
> and (2). IOW, if block device requirements stray too far from MTD
> requirements, then we might as well drop the idea of integration now.
> But if they agree, then we can move forward.
> 
> > > Some particular cases to consider: overlapping partitions (how do
> > > block devices handle overlapping partitions?), out-of-order
> > > specification, zero sized partitions, mixed syntax (some specified
> > > with an offset, some not), multiple '-' partitions.
> >
> > I think the 'offset' just is used to hide some MTD space.
> 
> No, it specifies offset as a distance from the beginning of the flash,
> so partitions can be numbered out of order. This is intentionally
> utilized by some users, for example, to ensure that a particular
> partition is always /dev/mtd0, even if it is not the first partition
> physically.
> 
> > There are two way:
> > 1) redefine the 'offset' as a gap between forward partition and next partition.
> > 2) add code forbid command line partitions overlapping and out-of-order.
> >
> > I recommend 1), it seems to solve those problem(overlapping and out-of-order),
> but it will affect habit.
> 
> The linked discussion is where MTD settled on retaining old practice. I
> brought it up not so that we change it here, but so that you would
> understand what you are agreeing to if you adopt a common MTD and block
> device parsing infrastructure.
> 
> [Note that I am much less familiar with block device mechanics than with
> MTD.] Are any of the problem areas I mentioned actually forbidden on
> block devices? I know, for instance, that an MBR partition table can
> specify partitions out of order. And I've googled around and seen some
> posts about people (unintentionally) ending up with overlapping hard
> disk partitions.
> 
> So from my primitive knowledge, it sounds like a block devices parser
> could agree with the same principle put forward by Shmulik in that
> second URL:
> 
>  "So far, mtdparts commandline parsing has been very lenient and liberal.
>   I think we should keep this approach; give the user the flexibility,
>   he'll be responsible to provide meaningful cmdline parts for his
>   system."
> 
> Brian

I want to use the MTD command line partition method on block devices (eMMC).
It is very suitable for embedded systems. I think, in embedded system partition method,
if somebody need some feature on MTD device, he may be also need it on block device.
so I fully functional reference MTD command line partition.

I tested the out-of-order and overlapping on my system, used command line partition, It is work ok.
The block device code is not make any restrictions on partition out-of-order and overlapping.

I hope extend the flexibility to block device.

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