Message-Id: <20130822143041.EC9F1E0090@blue.fi.intel.com>
Date:	Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:30:41 +0300 (EEST)
From:	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>
To:	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@...hat.com>
Cc:	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	NeilBrown <neilb@...e.de>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, fs: avoid page allocation beyond i_size on read

Steven Whitehouse wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 16:05 +0300, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> > Steven Whitehouse wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 13:58 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:42:12 +0100 Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > I don't think the change is harmful. The worst case scenario is race with
> > > > > > write or truncate, but it's valid to return EOF in this case.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What scenario do you have in mind?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. File open on node A
> > > > > 2. Someone updates it on node B by extending the file
> > > > > 3. Someone reads the file on node A beyond end of original file size,
> > > > > but within end of new file size as updated by node B. Without the patch
> > > > > this works, with it, it will fail. The reason being the i_size would not
> > > > > be up to date until after readpage(s) has been called.
> > 
> > CC: +linux-fsdevel@
> > 
> > So in this case node A will see the file like it was never touched by
> > node B. It's okay, if new i_size will eventually reach node A.
> > 
> > Is ->readpage() the only way to get i_size updated on node A or it will be
> > eventually updated without it?
> > 
> It will be updated by anything which takes a glock in the gfs2 case.
> Note that ->readpage() is not a very frequently used aop. For any
> filesystem with ->readpages() this should cover almost all calls to the
> fs for reading, with ->readpage() only used for some corner cases. So
> from a performance point of view, it is ->readpages() which matters
> most.
> 
> There is no time based updating of the inode information - it relies
> entirely upon the locking/cache control provided by the glock layer.
> 
> > If it's the only way, we need add a explicit way to initiate i_size sync
> > between nodes on read. Probably, distributed filesystems should provide own
> > ->aio_read() which deal i_size as the filesystem need.
> > 
> I'd rather not do that, if we can avoid it. The current system has been
> carefully designed so that all the cluster fs knowledge can be hidden in
> the layer below the page cache. That means for a read which can be
> satisfied from just the page cache, cluster filesystems are the same
> speed as local file systems, since it is the same code path. Only when a
> page doesn't exist in the cache do we need to take cluster locks in
> order to check the file size, etc.
> 
> Taking cluster locks can be expensive, since in the worst case it can
> involve both the local glock and dlm state machines, and remote dlm and
> glock state machines, network communication, and waiting for disk i/o
> and log flushes on (a) remote node(s).
> 
> Andrew's proposed solution makes sense to me, and is probably the
> easiest way to solve this.

Move check to no_cached_page? I don't see how it makes any difference for
page cache miss case: we anyway exclude ->readpage() if it's beyond local
i_size.
And for cache hit local i_size will be most likely cover locally cached
pages.

Should we introduce an aop which can be called before i_size check in
no_cached_page path to refresh local i_size?

> > > > > I think this is likely to be an issue for any distributed fs using
> > > > > do_generic_file_read(), although it would certainly affect GFS2, since
> > > > > the locking is done at page cache level,
> > > > 
> > > > Boy, that's rather subtle.  I'm surprised that the generic filemap.c
> > > > stuff works at all in that sort of scenario.
> > > > 
> > > > Can we put the i_size check down in the no_cached_page block?  afaict
> > > > that will solve the problem without breaking GFS2 and is more
> > > > efficient?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Well I think is even more subtle, since it relies on ->readpages
> > > updating the file size, even if it has failed to actually read the
> > > required pages :-) Having said that, we do rely on ->readpages updating
> > > the inode size elsewhere in this function, as per the block comment
> > > immediately following the page_ok label. 
> > 
> > That i_size recheck was invented to cover different use case: read vs.
> > truncate race. Userspace should not see truncate-caused zeros in buffer.
> > It's not to prevent file extending vs. read() race. This usually harmless:
> > data is consistent.
> > 
> 
> Yes, it is a different use case, but the same issue applies that without
> a prior call to ->readpage() or ->readpages() then i_size may not be
> correct.

I believe it's correct, but stale. I think it makes difference in the
context. Use stale value for read vs. write race is okay, but not for read
vs. truncate.

Will i_size be set to correct value on the first file open (struct inode
creation)?

> The comment mentions that there needs to be an uptodate page in
> existence in order for i_size to be valid, and that is, at least in the
> GFS2 case, an equivalent condition since it implies that ->readpage() or
> ->readpages() must have been called since the address space was last
> invalidated (or alternatively that the page was populated from a local
> write, but the effect is the same)
> 
> This is only true though, since GFS2 does its locking/caching on a
> per-inode basis - it someone wanted to implement a filesystem which
> worked on a per-page (for example) basis then the uptodate page criteria
> would not necessarily mean that the i_size was also uptodate.
> 
> I hope that helps clarify things a bit,
> 
> Steve.

-- 
 Kirill A. Shutemov
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