Date:	Sat, 14 Sep 2013 08:11:49 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
Cc:	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...hat.com>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@...nel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...hat.com>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@...gle.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] perf tools: New comm infrastructure


* Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:36:58PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > The way we handle hists sorted by comm is to first gather them by tid 
> > > then in the end merge/collapse hists that end up with the same comm.
> > > 
> > > But merging hists has shown some performances issues, especially with 
> > > callchain where the operation can be very heavy.
> > > 
> > > So this new comm infrastructure aims at removing comm collapses. It 
> > > brings two features:
> > > 
> > > 1) Keep track of comms lifecycle by storing timestamps when the comms 
> > > are set. This way we can map the precise comm to any thread:time couple. 
> > > This only works if the PERF_SAMPLE_ID comes along comm and fork events, 
> > > otherwise we only track the latest comm set for a thread.
> > > 
> > > This can provide us more precise comm sorted hists by distinguishing pre 
> > > and post exec timeframes into seperate hists for a single thread.
> > > 
> > > Note that although the comm infrastructure is ready to do this, I 
> > > haven't yet made the perf tools support that. It's a TODO entry.
> > > 
> > > 2) Allocate comms only once instead of duplicating them for all threads 
> > > sharing a same one. Two threads having the same comm should now point to 
> > > the same string. As a result we can compare hists thread comm by 
> > > address.
> > > 
> > > The big upside is that we can now live sort comm hists instead of 
> > > collapsing them in the end of the processing.
> > > 
> > > I've seen very nice performance results on perf report. Roughly a 1.5x 
> > > to 2x on perf report default stdio output with callchains.
> > > 
> > > You can try this branch:
> > > 
> > > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/frederic/linux-dynticks.git
> > > 	perf/comm
> > > 
> > > May be merging that with Namhyung callchains patches could provide some
> > > cumulative nice results.
> > 
> > It would be nice to try Linus's testcase, which is, in essence a kernel 
> > build profile:
> > 
> >     make defconfig
> >     perf record -g make -j64 bzImage
> > 
> > and to make sure that it can analyze the data in same, non-annoying 
> > runtimes. What I saw was 30 minutes of runtime - a 2x improvement is not 
> > nearly enough, 15 minutes is still an eternity.
> 
> I doubt we can reach anything near non-annonying runtimes after 
> recording all the callchains of a whole kernel build perf record.
> 
> My patches and Namhyung's should improve the comm situation a lot but we 
> can't do much miracle. The only way would be perhaps to be able to limit 
> the deepness of the callchain branches.
> 
> Now may be we can find other big contention point in perf. It's possible 
> we also have some endless loop somewhere.

Well, it was the 100,000+ step linear list walk that was causing 90% of 
the slowness here. Namhyung's patch should dramatically improve that. I 
guess time for someone to post a combined tree so that it can be tested 
all together?

Thanks,

	Ingo
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