Date:	Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:59:07 +0800
From:	Bob Liu <bob.liu@...cle.com>
To:	Olav Haugan <ohaugan@...eaurora.org>
CC:	minchan@...nel.org, sjenning@...ux.vnet.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	semenzato@...gle.com
Subject: Re: zram/zsmalloc issues in very low memory conditions

On 10/25/2013 08:35 AM, Olav Haugan wrote:
> Hi Bob, Luigi,
> 
> On 10/23/2013 5:55 PM, Bob Liu wrote:
>>
>> On 10/24/2013 05:51 AM, Olav Haugan wrote:
>>> I am trying to use zram in very low memory conditions and I am having
>>> some issues. zram is in the reclaim path. So if the system is very low
>>> on memory the system is trying to reclaim pages by swapping out (in this
>>> case to zram). However, since we are very low on memory zram fails to
>>> get a page from zsmalloc and thus zram fails to store the page. We get
>>> into a cycle where the system is low on memory so it tries to swap out
>>> to get more memory but swap out fails because there is not enough memory
>>> in the system! The major problem I am seeing is that there does not seem
>>> to be a way for zram to tell the upper layers to stop swapping out
>>> because the swap device is essentially "full" (since there is no more
>>> memory available for zram pages). Has anyone thought about this issue
>>> already and have ideas how to solve this or am I missing something and I
>>> should not be seeing this issue?
>>>
>>
>> The same question as Luigi "What do you want the system to do at this
>> point?"
>>
>> If swap fails then OOM killer will be triggered, I don't think this will
>> be a issue.
> 
> I definitely don't want OOM killer to run since OOM killer can kill
> critical processes (this is on Android so we have Android LMK to handle
> the killing in a more "safe" way). However, what I am seeing is that
> when I run low on memory zram fails to swap out and returns error but
> the swap subsystem just continues to try to swap out even when this
> error occurs (it tries over and over again very rapidly causing the
> kernel to be filled with error messages [at least two error messages per
> failure btw]).
> 

A simple way to disable the error messages is delete the printk line in
zram source code.

> What I expected to happen is for the swap subsystem to stop trying to
> swap out until memory is available to swap out. I guess this could be

In my opinion, the system already entered heavy memory pressure state
when zram fails to allocate a page.

In this case, the OOM killer or Low Memory Killer should be waked up and
kill some processes in order to free some memory pages.

After this happen, the system free memory may above water mark and no
swap will happen. Even swap happens again, it's unlikely that zram will
fail to alloc page. If it fails again, OOM killer or LMK should be
triggered once more.

> handled several ways. Either 1) the swap subsystem, upon encountering an
> error to swap out, backs off from trying to swap out for some time or 2)
> zram informs the swap subsystem that the swap device is full.
> 
> Could this be handled by congestion control? However, I found the
> following comment in the code in vmscan.c:
> 
> * If the page is swapcache, write it back even if that would
> * block, for some throttling. This happens by accident, because
> * swap_backing_dev_info is bust: it doesn't reflect the
> * congestion state of the swapdevs.  Easy to fix, if needed.
> 
> However, how would one update the congested state of zram when it
> becomes un-congested?
> 
>> By the way, could you take a try with zswap? Which can write pages to
>> real swap device if compressed pool is full.
> 
> zswap might not be feasible in all cases if you only have flash as
> backing storage.
> 

Yes, that's still a problem of zswap. Perhaps you can create a swap file
on the backing storage.

I'll try to add a fake swap device for zswap, so that users can have one
more choice besides zram.

>>> I am also seeing a couple other issues that I was wondering whether
>>> folks have already thought about:
>>>
>>> 2) zsmalloc fails when the page allocated is at physical address 0 (pfn
>>
>> AFAIK, this will never happen.
> 
> I can easily get this to happen since I have memory starting at physical
> address 0.
> 

Could you confirm this? AFAIR, physical memory start from 0 usually
reserved for some special usage.

I used 'cat /proc/zoneinfo' on x86 and arm, neither of the 'start_pfn'
was 0.

-- 
Regards,
-Bob
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