linux-kernel - Re: RFC: paravirtualizing perf

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Message-ID: <527111BD.9010803@gmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:03:41 -0600
From:	David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>
To:	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@...achi.com>
CC:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@...hat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, KVM <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
	yoshihiro.yunomae.ez@...achi.com,
	"yrl.pp-manager.tt@...achi.com" <yrl.pp-manager.tt@...achi.com>
Subject: Re: RFC: paravirtualizing perf_clock

On 10/29/13 11:59 PM, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:
> (2013/10/29 11:58), David Ahern wrote:
>> To back out a bit, my end goal is to be able to create and merge
>> perf-events from any context on a KVM-based host -- guest userspace,
>> guest kernel space, host userspace and host kernel space (userspace
>> events with a perf-clock timestamp is another topic ;-)).
>
> That is almost same as what we(Yoshihiro and I) are trying on integrated
> tracing, we are doing it on ftrace and trace-cmd (but perhaps, it eventually
> works on perf-ftrace).

I thought at this point (well, once perf-ftrace gets committed) that you 
can do everything with perf. What feature is missing in perf that you 
get with trace-cmd or using debugfs directly?


>> And then for the cherry on top a design that works across architectures
>> (e.g., x86 now, but arm later).
>
> I think your proposal is good for the default implementation, it doesn't
> depends on the arch specific feature. However, since physical timer(clock)
> interfaces and virtualization interfaces strongly depends on the arch,
> I guess the optimized implementations will become different on each arch.
> For example, maybe we can export tsc-offset to the guest to adjust clock
> on x86, but not on ARM, or other devices. In that case, until implementing
> optimized one, we can use paravirt perf_clock.

So this MSR read takes about 1.6usecs (from 'perf stat kvm live') and 
that is total time between VMEXIT and VMENTRY. The time it takes to run 
perf_clock in the host should be a very small part of that 1.6 usec. 
I'll take a look at the TSC path to see how it is optimized (suggestions 
appreciated).

Another thought is to make the use of pv_perf_clock an option -- user 
can knowingly decide the additional latency/overhead is worth the feature.

David

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