linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 3/7] idle, thermal, acpi: Remove home grown idle implementations

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Date:	Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:29:56 +0100
From:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@...ux.intel.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...ux.intel.com>, lenb@...nel.org,
	rjw@...ysocki.net, Eliezer Tamir <eliezer.tamir@...ux.intel.com>,
	Chris Leech <christopher.leech@...el.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, rui.zhang@...el.com,
	Mike Galbraith <bitbucket@...ine.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>, hpa@...or.com,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-pm@...r.kernel.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/7] idle, thermal, acpi: Remove home grown idle
 implementations

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 08:07:16AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 09:21:51AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 04:54:06PM -0800, Jacob Pan wrote:
> > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:04:53 +0100
> > > Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > People are starting to grow their own idle implementations in various
> > > > disgusting ways. Collapse the lot and use the generic idle code to
> > > > provide a proper idle cycle implementation.
> > > > 
> > > +Paul
> > > 
> > > RCU and others rely on is_idle_task() might be broken with the
> > > consolidated idle code since caller of do_idle may have pid != 0.
> > > 
> > > Should we use TS_POLL or introduce a new flag to identify idle task?
> > 
> > PF_IDLE would be my preference, I checked and we seem to have a grand
> > total of 2 unused task_struct::flags left ;-)
> 
> As long as RCU has some reliable way to identify an idle task, I am
> good.  But I have to ask -- why can't idle injection coordinate with
> the existing idle tasks rather than temporarily making alternative
> idle tasks?

Because that'd completely wreck how the scheduler selects tasks for just
these 2 arguably insane drivers.

We'd have to somehow teach it to pick the actual idle task instead of
this one task, but keep scheduling the rest of the tasks like normal --
we very much should keep higher priority tasks running like normal.

And we'd need a way to make it stop doing this 'proxy' execution.

That said, once we manage to replace the entire PI implementation with a
proper proxy execution scheme, the above would be possible by having a
resource (rt_mutex) associated with every idle task, and always held by
that task.

At that point we can do something like:

  rt_mutex_lock_timeout(cpu_idle_lock(cpu), jiffies);

And get the idle thread executing in our stead.

That said, idle is _special_ and I'd not be surprised we'd find a few
'funnies' along the way of trying to get that to actually work.

For now I'd rather not go there quite yet.
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