Date:	Sun, 15 Dec 2013 06:12:51 +0400
From:	Sergei Ianovich <ynvich@...il.com>
To:	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
	Daniel Mack <zonque@...il.com>,
	Haojian Zhuang <haojian.zhuang@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/16] ARM: support for ICP DAS LP-8x4x (with dts)

On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 01:53 +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Saturday 14 December 2013, Sergei Ianovich wrote:
> > There are basically 2 options: one-for-all mfd device and one-for-one
> > device drivers.
> > 
> > MFD
> > pros:
> > * easy to add into the tree (one file)
> > * easy config (one option)
> > 
> > Separate devices
> > * easy to support devices as respective subsystems evolve
> > * easy to add new feature without breaking existing ones. Eg. it may
> > make sense to provide industrial IO interface on analog IO devices
> > * possible to have fine-grained configuration (eg. SRAM in kernel,
> > serial and slot as modules)
> > * proper device tree serves as a datasheet for the machine, so anyone
> > who needs to work on it will have a decent view of the internals
> > 
> > I believe long-term benefits of separate devices outweigh immediate
> > effects of an MFD. However, I certainly don't see the big picture and
> > will accept your decision. Please make one.
> 
> Unfortunately I don't have a good way to judge the tradeoffs without
> understanding more about the design of the hardware. Did I understand
> you right that you expect future versions of the FPGA bitstream
> to implement additional features or have a different set of endpoint
> devices?

I am trying to reduce time you spend on review as much as possible.
Please feel free to say if I do something to the opposite.

I could write a lengthy description of the machine as I understand it,
if need be. I am not related to its vendor in any way, so it may or may
not be correct.

I've made to work 100% of features my client needs in the machine. It is
~80% of the devices on the frame and ~10% of possible slot modules.
There are chances someone else will work on the rest, eg. the device
vendor.

This page contains a photo, if there is any interest to see how it looks
like:
http://www.icpdas.com/root/product/solutions/pac/linpac/lp-8x4x_hardware.html

> If so, I would argue that anything that you consider an optional
> sub-device should have its own device node in the device tree.
> 
> Also, do you have to model hardware that is connected to the FPGA
> rather than being part of it?

Anything that can be plugged into the device is discoverable, so doesn't
require to be in the device tree.

> I suspect that you may have a different understanding of the term
> MFD than what I was suggesting: A typical MFD driver in Linux is
> basically a container device that has some registers on its own
> like a version detection or the irqchip but mainly is there to
> create sub-devices that each have a subset of the available
> registers. The sub-devices may or may not be describe in DT in this
> case.

I may be missing something. My general understanding seems to be as
follows. MFD will have probe/remove functionality of drivers for SRAM,
RTC, serial modules in the patch series. MFD will be to FPGA what C
language machine file was to machine: lots of hardcoded constants and
functions which implement non-standard behavior (like set_termios in
8250_lp8x4x.c). This seems to be wrong to me, as device tree is
specifically designed to handle platform device initialization.

The tree you drafted in the previous mail was 100% correct. I though
about doing something like that. I decided not to, since all devices
behind the FPGA are transparently accessed by CPU. I like the idea. I
haven't resent a series with FPGA bus only because you wrote in the same
mail that we need an MFD.

If you say so, we will have an MFD.

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