Message-ID: <20131217131119.GD28991@dhcp22.suse.cz>
Date:	Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:11:19 +0100
From:	Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.cz>
To:	Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>
Cc:	Li Zefan <lizefan@...wei.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@...ck.org, cgroups@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 3.13-rc breaks MEMCG_SWAP

On Mon 16-12-13 23:09:23, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Li Zefan wrote:
> > On 2013/12/17 9:41, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 06:19:37PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > >>> I have to think about it some more (the brain is not working anymore
> > >>> today). But what we really need is that nobody gets the same id while
> > >>> the css is alive.
> > 
> > That's what I meant to do in my last reply.
> > 
> > But I'm confused by
> > 
> > "How would this work? .. the swap will be there
> > after the last reference to css as well."
> > 
> > >>> So css_from_id returning NULL doesn't seem to be
> > >>> enough.
> > >>
> > >> Oh, I meant whether it's necessary to keep css_from_id() working
> > >> (ie. doing successful lookups) between offline and release, because
> > >> that's where lifetimes are coupled.  IOW, if it's enough for cgroup to
> > >> not recycle the ID until all css's are released && fail css_from_id()
> > >> lookup after the css is offlined, I can make a five liner quick fix.
> > > 
> > > Don't take my word on it, I'm too fuzzy on this: but although it would
> > > be good to refrain from recycling the ID until all css's are released,
> > > I believe that it would not be good enough to fail css_from_id() once
> > > the css is offlined - mem_cgroup_uncharge_swap() needs to uncharge the
> > > hierarchy of the dead memcg (for example, when tmpfs file is removed).
> > > 
> > > Uncharging the dead memcg itself is presumably irrelevant, but it does
> > > need to locate the right parent to uncharge, and NULL css_from_id()
> > > would make that impossible.  It would be easy if we said those charges
> > > migrate to root rather than to parent, but that's inconsistent with
> > > what we have happily converged upon doing elsewhere (in the preferred
> > > use_hierarchy case), and it would be a change in behaviour.
> > > 
> > > I'm not nearly as enthusiastic for my patch as Michal is: I really
> > > would prefer a five-liner from you or from Zefan. 
> > 
> > I've come up with a fix. Though it's more than five-line, it mostly moves
> > a few lines from one place to another. I've tested it with your script.
> 
> It seems to be working very well for me.  I'm inclined to forgive you for
> taking more than five lines, given that there are almost as many -s as +s ;)
> 
> In my opinion, your patch is greatly preferable to mine - if there are
> good things in mine, memcg can incorporate them at leisure later on,
> but right now this seems a much better 3.13 solution.  I'm guessing
> Tejun and Hannes will feel the same way: how about you, Michal?

OK, let's go with this for now but I would like swap accounting less
tricky and confusing and explicit reparenting should help there I
believe.

And sorry for distracting you from the css based approach. I have
totally misinterpreted the comment above idr_remove.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
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