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Date:	Wed, 8 Jan 2014 08:21:21 -0800
From:	Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>
To:	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
Cc:	Vivek Gautam <gautam.vivek@...sung.com>,
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	<gregory.clement@...e-electrons.com>,
	Olof Johansson <olofj@...omium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm: Add Arm Erratum 773769 for Large data RAM latency.

WIll,

Thanks for your comments!

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 01:33:11PM +0000, Vivek Gautam wrote:
>> The erratum-773769 occurs on Arm Coretex-A15 (rev r2p0),
>> when L2 Data Ram latency is set to 4 cycles or more; or
>> when ACP is in use, or with L2 Data RAM slice configured.
>> Therefore, the effective latency as calculated in Table 7-2 of
>> Cotex-A15 (rev r2p0) trm should be 3 cycles or less.
>>
>> On Exynos5250 based systems the effective data ram latency
>> is 4 cycles, since we have DATA_RAM_SETUP bit enabled (L2CTRL[5]=1b'1)
>> and DATA_RAM_LATENCY bits set to 0x2 (L2CTLR[2:0]=3b'010) therefore,
>> the effective L2 data RAM latency becomes 4 cycles.
>> So erratum '773769' occurs causing a corrupted L2 Cache.
>>
>> This patch gives a workaround to the mentioned erratum, using below
>> mentioned algo:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> if data RAM setup = 1
>>   then check if effective latency i.e (latency + setup + 1) > 3
>>   if 'true'
>>     then clear data RAM setup
>>       goto branch 'a'
>> if data RAM setup = 0
>>   a: then check if data RAM latency > 0x10
>>     if true then force data RAM latency = 0x10
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> so that the effective data RAM latency reduces to 3 cycles or less
>> and hence prevent hitting the erratum.
>>
>> NOTE: The Exynos5250 based products have already been shipped, which
>>       makes it impossible to add the change in bootloader, so we are
>>       adding the required change in kernel.
>
> NAK. Whilst I appreciate that you may not be able to fix your bootloader,
> this isn't the right change to make in the kernel. Blindly changing memory
> latencies is likely to do more harm than good for a multi-platform kernel,
> even if it works for exynos 5250. The only alternative I can think of (if you
> have to make a mainline kernel change) is to restrict the clock frequencies at
> which the CPU is allowed to run, although that obviously requires some
> investigation in order to determine how viable it is for your SoC.

OK, so humor me a little here...

I'll start off by saying that I'm totally OK if mainline doesn't want
this fixed.  If mainline is not interested in running reliably on
exynos5250-based products then there's nothing I can do about it.  It
seems unfortunate, but I'm not going to get into a shouting match
about it.

You're saying that this patch is blindly changing memory latencies.  I
don't think it is (please correct me if I'm wrong!).  This patch:

* Is guarded by a CONFIG option so the code isn't even compiled in if
you don't want EXYNOS5250 support.  I know this doesn't help
multiplatform, but it means that if you really hate the code it's easy
to disable.

* Is guarded by a runtime check of the revision number so that it
doesn't run on unaffected A15 revisions.

* Is guarded by a runtime check so it does nothing at all if the total
latency is <= 3 (AKA if boot code already picked a sane value)

...with the above guards it's pretty safe...

I will agree that there is a _potential_ that this could make things
work worse on an already broken product our there, but I would say
there's a reasonable chance that such a product doesn't exist (but
please correct me if I'm wrong).  Specifically, this patch will cause
problems in two examples that I can think of:

--

Example A: existing A15 <=r2p0 product with 773769-ignorant boot code
that could be fixed, but that needs "setup = 1"

In this case we've got boot code that's like the exynos5250 boot code
that accidentally sets the total latency to >= 4 when it would work
just fine to use a value of 3.  ...except that unlike the exynos5250
this hypthetical SoC needs to leave setup = 1.

...if such a machine were found in the wild (seems unlikely?) then
we'll need to figure out what to do.  If its boot code cannot be
updated and we want to support this product with a similar patch then
we'll need to be more dynamic.

--

Example B: existing A15 <=r2p0 product that just has to live with crashes

In this case we've got a product where we're going to just accept that
it crashes sometimes (since this is a fairly hard crash to trigger)
because it crashes even more when the total latency < 4.  In this case
we don't want to "fix" the errata because that makes things worse.

...if such a machine were find in the wild (it's possible, I guess?)
then that's a really good reason not to take this patch or to find
some way to dynamically enable / disable it.

--

Let me know what you think of the above, or if I'm misunderstanding something...

-Doug
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