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Date:	Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:27:28 +0100
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:	Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com>
Cc:	hpa@...or.com, alan@...ux.intel.com, acme@...hat.com,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, torvalds@...ux-foundation.org,
	peterz@...radead.org, paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, tglx@...utronix.de,
	linux-tip-commits@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip:core/urgent] MAINTAINERS: Restore "L:
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" entries


* Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com> wrote:

> Also, SubmittingPatches had and still has:
> 
> 	6) Select your CC (e-mail carbon copy) list.
> 
> 	Unless you have a reason NOT to do so, CC linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org.
> 
> Arguably, that same info should be added to the
> MAINTAINERS header instead of each section.

You have cut out my main argument from you reply and have ignored it:

>>    In hindsight removing all the "L: lkml" entries was probably not
>>    an overly good idea, not all mechanic duplication should be
>>    eliminated: in files read by humans it's useful to have 'at a
>>    glance' summary for all email addresses important to a subsystem's
>>    maintenance, in a single place, without too many imported rules
>>    and assumptions.

Which is not a very honest way to conduct discussions :-(

That section replies to most of your arguments.

> >   b5472cddbe2c MAINTAINERS: remove L: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org from all but "THE REST"
> > 
> > So it turns out that it's all but intuitive, not all people
> > use scripts/get_maintainer.pl to extract maintainer contact info,
> > some people read the MAINTAINERS file and see the lack of 'L:' entries
> > of various lkml-only subsystems and are sending patches to the
> > maintainers only, without Cc:-ing lkml.  They arguably have a point.
> 
> shrug,  I think it would be better if people
> used get_maintainer more often.

People are people, they'll use well constructed human-readable sources 
of information like the MAINTAINERS file just fine.

> MAINTAINERS already says:

That's irrelevant really, reality tells us that good people are 
looking at the entries and are using them as-is. For such things 
technology should adapt to people, not the other way around.

> > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> []
> > @@ -4655,6 +4657,7 @@ F:	net/irda/
> >  IRQ SUBSYSTEM
> >  M:	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
> >  S:	Maintained
> > +L:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
> 
> If this is done, can you please standardize on
> placing the L: line immediately after the M: line
> and before the S: line as was done for all the
> other added lines.

Good point, fixed.

Thanks,

	Ingo
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