linux-kernel - Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/3] Add devicetree scanning for randomness

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Message-ID: <CAOesGMgNkdxW4znmns10-DPc4+OTWJLyx2fcJGTgdND6pp0zUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:13:59 -0800
From:	Olof Johansson <olof@...om.net>
To:	Jason Cooper <jason@...edaemon.net>
Cc:	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
	Laura Abbott <lauraa@...eaurora.org>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@...aro.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@...r.kernel.org" <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@...eaurora.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/3] Add devicetree scanning for randomness

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Jason Cooper <jason@...edaemon.net> wrote:

> I brought this up at last weeks devicetree irc meeting.  My goal is to
> provide early randomness for kaslr on ARM.  Currently, my idea is modify
> the init script to save an additional random seed from /dev/urandom to
> /boot/random-seed.
>
> The bootloader would then load this file into ram, and pass the
> address/size to the kernel either via dt, or commandline.  kaslr (run in
> the decompressor) would consume some of this randomness, and then
> random.c would consume the rest in a non-crediting initialization.
>
> While not ideal, it works in absence of an HRNG, and is no worse than
> the current situation of storing the seed in /var/lib/misc/random-seed.
> It also doesn't require modification of the bootloaders.  Just an
> updated kernel, and update the bootloader environment to load the
> seed.

Hmm. There are some drawbacks with this -- it assumes you can "just
update the bootloader environment" which in general isn't easy to do.
Also, you can't assume that /boot is writable or exists on all
embedded systems.

In general, taking both runtime and system-dependend data and using
that to see entropy is a good idea. For example, device trees that
contain serial numbers and mac addresses for the individual system. I
think x86 feeds the DMI table in for similar purposes.

If that can be amended on some systems with a runtime seed (from
/boot), that's good but we can't rely on it.


-Olof
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