Message-ID: <20140218052232.GG4250@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:	Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:22:32 -0800
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:	Torvald Riegel <triegel@...hat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Ramana Radhakrishnan <Ramana.Radhakrishnan@....com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
	"linux-arch@...r.kernel.org" <linux-arch@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"akpm@...ux-foundation.org" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"mingo@...nel.org" <mingo@...nel.org>,
	"gcc@....gnu.org" <gcc@....gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/5] arch: atomic rework

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 07:42:42PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > As far as I can tell, the intent is that you can't do value
> > speculation (except perhaps for the "relaxed", which quite frankly
> > sounds largely useless).
> 
> Hmm. The language I see for "consume" is not obvious:
> 
>   "Consume operation: no reads in the current thread dependent on the
> value currently loaded can be reordered before this load"
> 
> and it could make a compiler writer say that value speculation is
> still valid, if you do it like this (with "ptr" being the atomic
> variable):
> 
>   value = ptr->val;
> 
> into
> 
>   tmp = ptr;
>   value = speculated.value;
>   if (unlikely(tmp != &speculated))
>     value = tmp->value;
> 
> which is still bogus. The load of "ptr" does happen before the load of
> "value = speculated->value" in the instruction stream, but it would
> still result in the CPU possibly moving the value read before the
> pointer read at least on ARM and power.
> 
> So if you're a compiler person, you think you followed the letter of
> the spec - as far as *you* were concerned, no load dependent on the
> value of the atomic load moved to before the atomic load. You go home,
> happy, knowing you've done your job. Never mind that you generated
> code that doesn't actually work.

Agreed, that would be bad.  But please see below.

> I dread having to explain to the compiler person that he may be right
> in some theoretical virtual machine, but the code is subtly broken and
> nobody will ever understand why (and likely not be able to create a
> test-case showing the breakage).

If things go as they usually do, such explanations will be required
a time or two.

> But maybe the full standard makes it clear that "reordered before this
> load" actually means on the real hardware, not just in the generated
> instruction stream. Reading it with understanding of the *intent* and
> understanding all the different memory models that requirement should
> be obvious (on alpha, you need an "rmb" instruction after the load),
> but ...

The key point with memory_order_consume is that it must be paired with
some sort of store-release, a category that includes stores tagged
with memory_order_release (surprise!), memory_order_acq_rel, and
memory_order_seq_cst.  This pairing is analogous to the memory-barrier
pairing in the Linux kernel.

So you have something like this for the rcu_assign_pointer() side:

	p = kmalloc(...);
	if (unlikely(!p))
		return -ENOMEM;
	p->a = 1;
	p->b = 2;
	p->c = 3;
	/* The following would be buried within rcu_assign_pointer(). */
	atomic_store_explicit(&gp, p, memory_order_release);

And something like this for the rcu_dereference() side:

	/* The following would be buried within rcu_dereference(). */
	q = atomic_load_explicit(&gp, memory_order_consume);
	do_something_with(q->a);

So, let's look at the C11 draft, section 5.1.2.4 "Multi-threaded
executions and data races".

5.1.2.4p14 says that the atomic_load_explicit() carries a dependency to
the argument of do_something_with().

5.1.2.4p15 says that the atomic_store_explicit() is dependency-ordered
before the atomic_load_explicit().

5.1.2.4p15 also says that the atomic_store_explicit() is
dependency-ordered before the argument of do_something_with().  This is
because if A is dependency-ordered before X and X carries a dependency
to B, then A is dependency-ordered before B.

5.1.2.4p16 says that the atomic_store_explicit() inter-thread happens
before the argument of do_something_with().

The assignment to p->a is sequenced before the atomic_store_explicit().

Therefore, combining these last two, the assignment to p->a happens
before the argument of do_something_with(), and that means that
do_something_with() had better see the "1" assigned to p->a or some
later value.

But as far as I know, compiler writers currently take the approach of
treating memory_order_consume as if it was memory_order_acquire.
Which certainly works, as long as ARM and PowerPC people don't mind
an extra memory barrier out of each rcu_dereference().

Which is one thing that compiler writers are permitted to do according
to the standard -- substitute a memory-barrier instruction for any
given dependency...

							Thanx, Paul

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