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Date:	Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:26:36 +0100
From:	Torvald Riegel <triegel@...hat.com>
To:	paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Ramana Radhakrishnan <Ramana.Radhakrishnan@....com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
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	"akpm@...ux-foundation.org" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"mingo@...nel.org" <mingo@...nel.org>,
	"gcc@....gnu.org" <gcc@....gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/5] arch: atomic rework

On Tue, 2014-03-04 at 11:00 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 09:46:19PM +0100, Torvald Riegel wrote:
> > xagsmtp2.20140303204700.3556@...dvma.vnet.ibm.com
> > X-Xagent-Gateway: vmsdvma.vnet.ibm.com (XAGSMTP2 at VMSDVMA)
> > 
> > On Mon, 2014-03-03 at 11:20 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 07:55:08PM +0100, Torvald Riegel wrote:
> > > > xagsmtp2.20140303190831.9500@...vsc.vnet.ibm.com
> > > > X-Xagent-Gateway: uk1vsc.vnet.ibm.com (XAGSMTP2 at UK1VSC)
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2014-02-28 at 16:50 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > +o	Do not use the results from the boolean "&&" and "||" when
> > > > > +	dereferencing.	For example, the following (rather improbable)
> > > > > +	code is buggy:
> > > > > +
> > > > > +		int a[2];
> > > > > +		int index;
> > > > > +		int force_zero_index = 1;
> > > > > +
> > > > > +		...
> > > > > +
> > > > > +		r1 = rcu_dereference(i1)
> > > > > +		r2 = a[r1 && force_zero_index];  /* BUGGY!!! */
> > > > > +
> > > > > +	The reason this is buggy is that "&&" and "||" are often compiled
> > > > > +	using branches.  While weak-memory machines such as ARM or PowerPC
> > > > > +	do order stores after such branches, they can speculate loads,
> > > > > +	which can result in misordering bugs.
> > > > > +
> > > > > +o	Do not use the results from relational operators ("==", "!=",
> > > > > +	">", ">=", "<", or "<=") when dereferencing.  For example,
> > > > > +	the following (quite strange) code is buggy:
> > > > > +
> > > > > +		int a[2];
> > > > > +		int index;
> > > > > +		int flip_index = 0;
> > > > > +
> > > > > +		...
> > > > > +
> > > > > +		r1 = rcu_dereference(i1)
> > > > > +		r2 = a[r1 != flip_index];  /* BUGGY!!! */
> > > > > +
> > > > > +	As before, the reason this is buggy is that relational operators
> > > > > +	are often compiled using branches.  And as before, although
> > > > > +	weak-memory machines such as ARM or PowerPC do order stores
> > > > > +	after such branches, but can speculate loads, which can again
> > > > > +	result in misordering bugs.
> > > > 
> > > > Those two would be allowed by the wording I have recently proposed,
> > > > AFAICS.  r1 != flip_index would result in two possible values (unless
> > > > there are further constraints due to the type of r1 and the values that
> > > > flip_index can have).
> > > 
> > > And I am OK with the value_dep_preserving type providing more/better
> > > guarantees than we get by default from current compilers.
> > > 
> > > One question, though.  Suppose that the code did not want a value
> > > dependency to be tracked through a comparison operator.  What does
> > > the developer do in that case?  (The reason I ask is that I have
> > > not yet found a use case in the Linux kernel that expects a value
> > > dependency to be tracked through a comparison.)
> > 
> > Hmm.  I suppose use an explicit cast to non-vdp before or after the
> > comparison?
> 
> That should work well assuming that things like "if", "while", and "?:"
> conditions are happy to take a vdp.

I currently don't see a reason why that should be disallowed.  If we
have allowed an implicit conversion to non-vdp, I believe that should
follow.  ?: could be somewhat special, in that the type depends on the
2nd and 3rd operand.  Thus, "vdp x = non-vdp ? vdp : vdp;" should be
allowed, whereas "vdp x = non-vdp ? non-vdp : vdp;" probably should be
disallowed if we don't provide for implicit casts from non-vdp to vdp.

> This assumes that p->a only returns
> vdp if field "a" is declared vdp, otherwise we have vdps running wild
> through the program.  ;-)

That's a good question.  For the scheme I had in mind, I'm not concerned
about vdps running wild because one needs to assign to explicitly
vdp-typed variables (or function arguments, etc.) to let vdp extend to
beyond single expressions.

Nonetheless, I think it's a good question how -> should behave if the
field is not vdp; in particular, should vdp->non_vdp be automatically
vdp?  One concern might be that we know something about non-vdp -- OTOH,
we shouldn't be able to do so because we (assume to) don't know anything
about the vdp pointer, so we can't infer something about something it
points to.

> The other thing that can happen is that a vdp can get handed off to
> another synchronization mechanism, for example, to reference counting:
> 
> 	p = atomic_load_explicit(&gp, memory_order_consume);
> 	if (do_something_with(p->a)) {
> 		/* fast path protected by RCU. */
> 		return 0;
> 	}
> 	if (atomic_inc_not_zero(&p->refcnt) {

Is the argument to atomic_inc_no_zero vdp or non-vdp?

> 		/* slow path protected by reference counting. */
> 		return do_something_else_with((struct foo *)p);  /* CHANGE */
> 	}
> 	/* Needed slow path, but raced with deletion. */
> 	return -EAGAIN;
> 
> I am guessing that the cast ends the vdp.  Is that the case?

That would end it, yes.  The other way this could happen is that the
argument of do_something_else_with() would be specified to be non-vdp.

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