linux-kernel - Re: Tasks stuck in futex code (in 3.14-rc6)

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Message-ID: <CA+55aFw-gGQ5hTdVPovpRgcEHGyhf3YDzoSLpavzP4SefkkBDg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:42:02 -0700
From:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@...com>
Cc:	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	ppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Tasks stuck in futex code (in 3.14-rc6)

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@...com> wrote:
>> It strikes me that the "spin_is_locked()" test has no barriers wrt the
>> writing of the new futex value on the wake path. And the read barrier
>> obviously does nothing wrt the write either. Or am I missing
>> something? So the write that actually released the futex might be
>> almost arbitrarily delayed on the waking side. So the waiting side may
>> not see the new value, even though the waker assumes it does due to
>> the ordering of it doing the write first.
>
> Aha, that would certainly violate the ordering guarantees. I feared
> _something_ like that when we originally discussed your suggestion as
> opposed to the atomics one, but didn't have any case for it either.

Actually, looking closer, we have the memory barrier in
get_futex_key_refs() (called by "get_futex_key()") so that's not it.
In fact, your "atomic_read(&hb->waiters)" doesn't have any more
serialization than the spin_is_locked() test had.

But the spin_is_locked() and queue-empty tests are two separate memory
reads, and maybe there is some ordering wrt those two that we missed,
so the "waiters" patch is worth trying anyway.

I do still dislike how the "waiters" thing adds an atomic update, but whatever..

          Linus
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