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Date:	Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:41:11 +0100
From:	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <>
To:	Peter Hurley <>
Cc:	linux kernel <>,
	linux-serial <>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <>,
	Ivan <>
Subject: Re: man termios

>> Peter, do you agree that Linux appears to differ from POSIX here? (Not
>> sure if you tried my test program to verify...)
> I did run the test program to validate that it's observed behavior is that
> implemented by Linux, with which I'm very familiar.
> I don't have a test setup for other *nixes.
> I would be interested to know the results of
>   ./noncanonical 0 5 3 0
>   hello

Solaris 10:
read() completes when 5 bytes received.
OpenBSD 5.4
read() completes when 5 bytes received.

> and
>   ./noncanonical 0 5 3 2
>    hel

read blocks()
read blocks

Plus my test case where Linux differs:

./noncanonical 100 5 3 0

Linux: read() returns after 3 bytes input

Solaris: read() returns only after 5 bytes input
OpenBSD: read() returns only after 5 bytes input

> on other platforms.
> With respect to POSIX compliance, it's hard to say. I'm not sure the
> spec contemplates the degenerate case where max bytes < MIN. And

Well, given the way the other implementations behave, I think it does
contemplate it, because it carefull avoids talking about the number of
bytes requested by read() in that case.

> specifically
> with regard to terminal i/o behavior, POSIX is essentially ex post facto,
> and is really documenting existing behavior.
> Other than the degenerate case of max bytes < MIN, is there any other
> variation between Solaris and Linux in non-canonical mode?

The only one I've seen is the one I noted. I haven't tested too
exhaustively though.



Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer;
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