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Date:	Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:49:02 +0200
From:	Sebastian Hesselbarth <sebastian.hesselbarth@...il.com>
To:	Alexander Holler <holler@...oftware.de>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>
CC:	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Michal Simek <michal.simek@...inx.com>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH regression] net: phy: fix initialization (config_init)
 for Marvel 88E1116R PHYs

On 04/03/2014 09:17 AM, Alexander Holler wrote:
> Am 03.04.2014 00:27, schrieb Sebastian Hesselbarth:
>> On 04/03/2014 12:12 AM, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>>> I am curious, how you determined above commit to be the cause of the
>>>> regression you are seeing. Can you bisect, if you didn't already?
>>>
>>> There was no bisecting necessary. I've just looked at what changed in
>>> mv643xx_eth since 3.13 and the first commit I've reverted was already a
>>> hit. Reading a bit source revealed the differences between the old reset
>>> and the newly used one and ended up with my patch (first try) and was a
>>> hit too.
>>
>> Honestly, your own fix changes a different driver than mv643xx_eth.
> 
> It changes stuff which now (through the mentioned commit) gets used
> through the change in mv643xx_eth.

Sigh. You have proven youself that the commit isn't the root cause
of the issue you are seeing. Nor is "fixing" 88e1116r init sequence
a reasonable fix.

>> There is a lot of changes from v3.13 to v3.14 and bisecting really
>> helps to pin-point the one offending patch. As you can see from my
>> tests with Dockstar, poking in the PHY driver may not be the right
>> place to fix it.
>>
>>> Actually I assumed the reset needs longer than the 500ms, but as the
>>> printks revealed, the reset is much faster.
>>> So the problem seems to be the much increased time (1s) the newly used
>>> reset function idles in mdelay.
>>
>> You assume that the PHY issue comes from waiting for too long _after_
>> the reset? And again, the very same PHY on Dockstar is not affected.
> 
> Guess with which hardware I'm experiencing this problem? Hint:
> http://ahsoftware.de/dockstar/ ;)

I don't know, but now I guess it is Dockstar.

>>> But I think I have found the real reason. and the change of the reset
>>> just increased the chance the problem is hit (here with 100% success or
>>> fail rate however you want to name it).
>>>
>>> Just give me a day or two to find the time to verify my assumption (I
>>> don't want to speculate) and maybe find a real fix for the problem. Of
>>> course, I still like my patch because it greatly decreases the time
>>> necessary for a reset (and the chance to hit the problem).
>>
>> Well, you can share your idea anytime. You already speculated that PHY
>> reset on 88e1116r is broken but it seems that is not true. The more
>> you share of your issue and the tries to fix it, the more likely is it
>> we can follow your patch immediately.
> 
> Sorry, but wild speculating doesn't help always. Otherwise I could
> mention several dozen possible reasons, starting from broken memory or
> other hw up to some memory corruption elsewhere in the kernel.
> 
> But I already have given a hint before, try what happens if you enable
> netconsole (compiled in) through the kernel commandline
> (netconsole=...). Maybe the ethernet on your dockstar will get stuck too.

If it is related to netconsole, I would guess it is more platforms
affected than just Dockstar? If you share the idea, we can try to
find a way to allow netconsole on more than just that
mv643xx_eth/88e116r combination.

>> Again, if you really want to find the real patch breaking Sheevaplug,
>> use git bisect.
> 
> That's silly if I already know a/the change which brings the problem to
> light. If I revert the mentioned commit the problem disapears. So why
> should I go through the pain to bisect stuff? I already have found the
> knob to kill the ethernet on that machine.

Really, I can tell you two fixes for it right away: don't use netconsole
or remove Marvell PHY support. But neither is really helping here.

If you share your ideas early, it is at least two more who are looking
at it. This is just a suggestion, you are free to take it though.

Sebastian
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