linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/1] random vs blk-mq

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Message-ID: <535A6FBB.6010902@kernel.dk>
Date:	Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:22:51 -0600
From:	Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>
To:	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] random vs blk-mq

On 04/25/2014 08:03 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:36:10AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> But this also brings up an interesting question:  blk-mq currently
>> does not set QUEUE_FLAG_ADD_RANDOM in the default queue flags, so
>> simply converting a driver to blk-mq will mean it stops contributing
>> to the random pool.  Do we need a more fine grained way to control
>> this, especially for SCSI?
> 
> In general, more fine grained control is always good.
> 
> But getting the defaults right is even more important.  It occurs to
> me that what might make sense is to turn on QUEUE_FLAG_ADD_RANDOM if
> we know that it is a rotational disk.  But in the case where we know
> it's a SSD or a NVMe, it's likely that add_disk_randomness() is not
> going to do much in the way that's useful, since we estimate entropy
> credits based on the jiffies delta, so if we interrupts more
> frequently than the 10ms, we're not going to get any entropy credit
> anyway.

This is exactly why the flag was added in the first place:

commit e2e1a148bc45855816ae6b4692ce29d0020fa22e
Author: Jens Axboe <jaxboe@...ionio.com>
Date:   Wed Jun 9 10:42:09 2010 +0200

    block: add sysfs knob for turning off disk entropy contributions

    There are two reasons for doing this:

    - On SSD disks, the completion times aren't as random as they
      are for rotational drives. So it's questionable whether they
      should contribute to the random pool in the first place.

    - Calling add_disk_randomness() has a lot of overhead.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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