linux-kernel - Re: pid ns feature request

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite for Android: free password hash cracker in your pocket

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:	Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:50:49 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>
Cc:	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...onical.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@...ts.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: pid ns feature request

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Eric W. Biederman
<ebiederm@...ssion.com> wrote:
> Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> writes:
>
>> Unless I'm missing some trick, it's currently rather painful to mount
>> a namespace /proc.  You have to actually be in the pid namespace to
>> mount the correct /proc instance, and you can't unmount the old /proc
>> until you've mounted the new /proc.  This means that you have to fork
>> into the new pid namespace before you can finish setting it up.
>
> Yes.  You have to be inside just about all namespaces before you can
> finish setting them up.
>
> I don't know the context in which needed to be inside the pid namespace
> is a burden.

I'm trying to sandbox myself.  I unshare everything, setup up new
mounts, pivot_root, umount the old stuff, fork, and wait around for
the child to finish.

This doesn't work: the parent can't mount the new /proc, and the child
can't either because it's too late.

The only solution I can think of without kernel changes is to fork the
child (pid 1) before pivot_root, which makes everything more
complicated.  I suppose I can unshare, fork immediately, have the
child set up all the mounts, and then wake the parent, but this is an
annoying bit of extra complexity for no obvious gain.

>
>> Would it make sense to add a mount option to procfs to request a mount
>> for pid_ns_for_children instead of task_active_pid_ns?
>
> This is about the using setns and unshare?
>
> Adding a proc amount option that takes a pid namespace file descriptor
> would be the general solution, and might be worth implementing.
>
> Getting a pid namespace file descriptors when there are no pids might be
> a challenge.

Indeed, hence my request for a specific mode to mount /proc for
pid_ns_for_children.

FWIW, I also tried forking, having the child mount /proc and exit,
then forking again later on.  That also doesn't work -- it looks like
you can't recreate pid 1 after it does.

--Andy
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/