linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH RFC 0/2] percpu_ida: Take into account CPU topology when stealing tags

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Date:	Thu, 01 May 2014 20:19:39 -0600
From:	Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>
To:	Kent Overstreet <kmo@...erainc.com>
CC:	Ming Lei <tom.leiming@...il.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Shaohua Li <shli@...nel.org>,
	Nicholas Bellinger <nab@...ux-iscsi.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/2] percpu_ida: Take into account CPU topology when
 stealing tags

On 2014-05-01 16:47, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 03:13:38PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 04/29/2014 05:35 AM, Ming Lei wrote:
>>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-04-25 18:01, Ming Lei wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jens,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/25/2014 03:10 AM, Ming Lei wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I did run it the other day. It has little to no effect here, but
>>>>>> that's mostly because there's so much other crap going on in there. The
>>>>>> most effective way to currently make it work better, is just to ensure
>>>>>> the caching pool is of a sane size.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that is just what the patch is doing, :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But it's not enough.
>>>
>>> Yes, the patch is only for cases of mutli hw queue and having
>>> offline CPUs existed.
>>>
>>>> For instance, my test case, it's 255 tags and 64 CPUs.
>>>> We end up in cross-cpu spinlock nightmare mode.
>>>
>>> IMO, the scaling problem for the above case might be
>>> caused by either current percpu ida design or blk-mq's
>>> usage on it.
>>
>> That is pretty much my claim, yes. Basically I don't think per-cpu tag
>> caching is ever going to be the best solution for the combination of
>> modern machines and the hardware that is out there (limited tags).
>
> Sorry for not being more active in the discussion earlier, but anyways - I'm in
> 100% agreement with this.
>
> Percpu freelists are _fundamentally_ only _useful_ when you don't need to be
> using all your available tags, because percpu sharding requires wasting your tag
> space. I could write a mathematical proof of this if I cared enough.
>
> Otherwise what happens is on alloc failure you're touching all the other
> cachelines every single time and now you're bouncing _more_ cachelines than if
> you just had a single global freelist.
>
> So yeah, for small tag spaces just use a single simple bit vector on a single
> cacheline.

I've taken the consequence of this and implemented another tagging 
scheme that blk-mq will use if it deems that percpu_ida isn't going to 
be effective for the device being initialized. But I really hate to have 
both of them in there. Unfortunately I have no devices available that 
have a tag space that will justify using percu_ida, so comparisons are a 
bit hard at the moment. NVMe should change that, though, so decision 
will have to be deferred until that is tested.

> BTW, Shaohua Li's patch d835502f3dacad1638d516ab156d66f0ba377cf5 that changed
> when steal_tags() runs was fundamentally wrong and broken in this respect, and
> should be reverted, whatever usage it was that was expecting to be able to
> allocate the entire tag space was the problem.

It's hard to blame Shaohua, and I helped push that. It was an attempt in 
making percpu_ida actually useful for what blk-mq needs it for, and 
being the primary user of it, it was definitely worth doing. A tagging 
scheme that requires the tag space to be effectively sparse/huge to be 
fast is not a good generic tagging algorithm.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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