lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  linux-cve-announce  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Message-ID: <CALCETrX8wCxRj9=F7_pM_SKdSxSYttMyLZKAWTy9HurAmtfC2w@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 2 May 2014 12:50:57 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@...nel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <h.peter.anvin@...el.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC/HACK] x86: Fast return to kernel

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
>> This speeds up my kernel_pf microbenchmark by about 17%.  The cfi
>> annotations need some work.
>
> Sadly, performance of page faults in kernel mode is pretty much
> completely uninteresting. It simply doesn't happen on any real load.

I wonder if mlock, mlockall, MAP_POPULATE and such would benefit.
Anyone who mmaps a file and writes from the mmapped area to a socket,
pipe, or another file would benefit, I think, although I haven't
checked exactly how that works.

>
> That said, regular *device* interrupts do often return to kernel mode
> (the idle loop in particular), so if you have any way to measure that,
> that might be interesting, and might show some of the same advantages.

I can try something awful involving measuring latency of
hardware-timed packets on a SolarFlare card, but I'll have calibration
issues.  I suppose I could see if 'ping' gets faster.  In general,
this will speed up interrupts that wake userspace from idle by about
100ns on my box, since it's presumably the same size and the speedup
per loop in my silly benchmark.

I bet that lat_ctx and such would speed up, but that's unfair, since
it's still just a bug.

>
> And NMI not being re-enabled might just be a real advantage. Adding
> Steven to the cc to make him aware of this patch.
>
> So I like the patch, I just think that selling it on a "page fault
> cost" basis is not very interesting. The real advantages would be
> elsewhere. The page fault case is mainly a good way to test that it
> restores the registers correctly.
>
> Also, are you *really* sure that "popf" has the same one-instruction
> interrupt shadow that "sti" has? Because I'm not at all sure that is
> true, and it's not documented as far as I can tell. In contrast, the
> one-instruction shadow after "sti" very much _is_ documented.
>
> You may need to have a separate paths for do/don't enable interrupts,
> with the interrupt-enabling one clearing the IF bit on stack, and then
> finishing with "popf ; sti ; retq" instead.

Hmm.  I think I may have mis-remembered - I can't find it either.
I'll try this.

I'll also grumble at the CFI stuff.  I'm not really sure how to test
it -- my copy of gdb isn't happy with the stack even before I start
fiddling with it.

--Andy
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Powered by blists - more mailing lists

Powered by Openwall GNU/*/Linux Powered by OpenVZ